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Posted on 01/13/2007 3:43:12 PM PST by NYer
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Yeah, but the "form of the ritual" can inspire people. You probably don't go to the church for which this is planned, but I'd bet the line is pretty long at the confessional in that church before Mass.
I don't know how old you are, but once upon a time, there were two confession times per Saturday, and about 15 minutes of Confession before every Mass. People went a lot because if they went to Mass, the opportunity was there.
Plus, you didn't have the clergy telling you that going more than once a year was excessive (which I heard in CA).
I agree with Livius. My priest, who says the old and new Mass, has confession twice on Saturdays, before 2 new Masses on Sundays, and once or twice a week besides. Right before a major holy day comes up it is not unusual for him to be in the confessional for five hours a day!
My pastor mentioned this recently because he is 83 years old and long periods in the confessional are really getting hard on him. He always says, however, that no matter how tired he gets in the confessional, the peace he feels at helping people reconcile with God always guarantee that he'll sleep like a baby.
I'm about 15 years older, so I grew up under the Old Rite and the old practices. Frequent confession was one of them.
I can still remember how shocked I was when we were told we were going to confession "too often." The clergy and Vat II created this situation, and the clergy are the ones who are going to have to tell people it's important - and then show up in the confessional more than 1/2 hour per week.
Fer Pete's sake, they can sit there for an hour and read a decent book, their breviary (do priests even do this anymore?), or pray for an hour if nobody shows up. It's not going to kill them.
"I'm just wondering why interest in the Tridentine mass is so high, yet interest in the Sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation seems so low."
I've found that where the Tridentine Mass is offered, interest in the Sacrament of Confession is high. Interest in Confession at Novus Ordo parishes is generally low. At the church where I attend the Tridentine Mass, the lines for Confession are quite long week after week.
From what I understand, those Catholics drawn to the Tridentine Mass, frequent confession. They are more introspective about their faults vs their faith.
I go to Mass every week, and everyone goes up to receive Communion, but Confession is a mere two times a week, for a half-hour. I include myself in that group.
In my very small Maronite Catholic parish, Confession is offered up until 30 minutes before Mass. There are no takers. Recognizing and preaching on the need for Confession, Father also offers two Reconciliation Services at Easter and Christmas. These beautiful services are accompanied by two Readings + the Gospel, a homily and an introspective reflection on our faults, prior to private confession. Again, no surprise, that those who avail themselves of these two semi-annual events, are the Catholics who adhere to tradition and who attend weekly Mass. Of late, the attendees include more Roman than Maronite Catholics.
Conversion starts with the heart, not the form of the ritual.
Agreed. Unfortunately, in today's secular society, oftentimes the heart doesn't respond until the grim reaper begins to knock at the door.
Just to clarify a bit, while the chaplin is Fr Ottonello, the Rector of the Oratory is Fr Michael Wiener of nearby Oakland diocese. He is a priest of the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest and carries the title of Episcopal Delegate for the Tridentine Rite for the Oakland diocese, which has the full support of Oakland bishop Vigneron for further expansion.
What a wonderful thing to say! And I'm sure it works, too, and he's probably one of the few 83 yr olds who is simply out like a light when he goes to bed.
It's very hard because we have not been training up new confessors. I think there are some young men who would probably like to do this, but they have older pastors who were developed in the post-VII "we're all perfect children of God" mentality. Therefore they are not permitted to hear confessions more than 1/2 hour per week (on their rotation, which might be only once or twice a month). This doesn't give them a lot of experience or encouragement.
I think your comments are spot on Livius. Most priests just haven't gotten the proper training and teaching about confession!
An Episcopal Delegate? That's great. That means he actually has some stature in the diocese. That may protect him from some of the crappola that will come his way!
"Conversion starts with the heart, not the form of the ritual."
The purpose of ritual is to speak to the heart.
Where there is beauty and majesty in the ritual, the heart may be inspired. Where the ritual is trite...
"I was trying to emphasize what I have found among those I know who are in favor of reviving the Tridentine Mass in our parish, and others here in the Boston area. It seems the form is more important than the substance."
From my experience, those who are in favor of reviving the Traditional Latin Mass pay much more attention to the "substance" than most Novus Ordo Catholics. However, the "form" is not unimportant. The form of the Traditional Latin Mass is filled with a deep symbolism which always reinforces the substance. Sadly, this has been lost in the new Mass.
In my own case, I have obtained a deeper understanding of the "substance" in my first year of attending the Traditional Latin Mass than I did in over thirty years of attending the new Mass.
Not at my parish.
Yeah, I think it makes a difference what the emphasis is from your priests.
I go to a pretty average N.O. parish with a 35 year old pastor. He makes it clear several times a year during his homilies that he, personally, sees his confessor a minimum of once a month. He models it for everyone else and makes it clear that the sacrament is available outside of the scheduled times, if needed.
If I have something serious to confess, I make sure I make it at the start of the scheduled time on Saturday, I've seen the line long enough that not everyone makes it before Mass starts an hour and a half later.
"I make sure I make it at the start of the scheduled time on Saturday, I've seen the line long enough that not everyone makes it before Mass starts an hour and a half later."
Perhaps your priest should take some more time from his busy week to offer this sacrament.
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