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Wuerl's stand on lawmakers who back abortion angers some conservative Catholics
Post Gazette ^ | January 22, 2007 | Ann Rodgers

Posted on 01/22/2007 8:02:24 AM PST by NYer

In the political hot seat of Washington, D.C., Archbishop Donald Wuerl has stuck to the stand he took as bishop of Pittsburgh, refusing to withhold communion from Catholic legislators who support legal abortion.

A response he made recently to questions about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have infuriated the far-right edge of the Catholic blogosphere, and drawn ire from some of the most conservative Catholic leaders of the anti-abortion movement.

Today, his approach to that cause will be on display as he hosts a youth rally in the capital's Verizon Center, in conjunction with the annual March for Life.

A week ago in San Diego he took questions from a conservative Catholic journalist about Ms. Pelosi.

"Do you intend to discipline her at all for being persistent and obstinate about her support for abortion and same-sex marriage?" asked Allyson Smith of the Web site California Catholic Daily.

"I will not be using the faculty in the manner you have described," he replied, referring to his authority.

"Will you make a statement to your priests and deacons to warn them not to allow her to receive if she presents herself for Communion?" Ms. Smith continued.

The archbishop responded: "You're talking about a whole different style of pastoral ministry. No."

LifeSiteNews.com ran outraged responses from Catholic leaders on the conservative wing of the anti-abortion movement.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; dc; wuerl

Washington Archbishop Donald Wuerl: Asked if he planned to refuse communion to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, he responded: "You're talking about a whole different style of pastoral ministry. No."
1 posted on 01/22/2007 8:02:25 AM PST by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
Interestingly - our (Maronite) pastor was away this weekend but arranged to have a RC priest say Mass at our parish. The priest was quite old and walked with double canes. He needed assistance throughout the Mass. But when it came time to deliver his homily, he stood there, leaning on his canes and spoke for 30 minutes on the value of each and every human life! He challenged those present to contact the Right to Life League to secure a printout of political representatives to learn how they vote. He even suggested that voting for these politicians renders the voter complicit in abortion.

This was one priest who knows how to 'walk the walk', albeit it with double canes. Abouna would have been proud :-)

2 posted on 01/22/2007 8:12:05 AM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: NYer

Coward.


3 posted on 01/22/2007 8:13:04 AM PST by old and tired
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To: NYer
No wonder Pope Benedict has been looking so tired lately.

What a thorn in his side.

Someone should introduce this man to the concept of humility.

4 posted on 01/22/2007 8:16:59 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: old and tired
From the article: He noted that he sometimes gets letters from Catholics demanding to know what he will do about such situations. His temptation, he said, was to reply with, "What are YOU doing about it? How is your voice heard?"

Does this clown really want to go there? I know plenty of Catholics who've housed pregnant women, paid their rent, bought them clothes and paid their electric bill.

He's the shepherd, he's the teacher, what the heck is he going to do about the pro-abort pols in his flock?

5 posted on 01/22/2007 8:17:25 AM PST by old and tired
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To: old and tired
From the article: He noted that he sometimes gets letters from Catholics demanding to know what he will do about such situations. His temptation, he said, was to reply with, "What are YOU doing about it? How is your voice heard?"

Does this clown really want to go there? I know plenty of Catholics who've housed pregnant women, paid their rent, bought them clothes and paid their electric bill.

He's the shepherd, he's the teacher, what the heck is he going to do about the pro-abort pols in his flock?

6 posted on 01/22/2007 8:17:26 AM PST by old and tired
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To: old and tired

Weasels like him make me sick. We (laypeople) are all working very hard, but there are some things we cannot do: excommunicate somebody, for example. Furthermore, Nancy Pelosi gives not a whit what we, the folks in the pews, think. But she'd sure care if Abp Wuerl publicly denied her Communion for her promotion of abortion.

Wuerl is not only being cowardly on this issue, but his wussiness is setting himself up to be defied on just about any issue the DC "Catholic" crowd wishes to push.


7 posted on 01/22/2007 8:38:02 AM PST by livius
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To: NYer

The Archbishop is being consistent with his stance in the past. If it's not wrong to elect a pro-abort why would it be wrong to be one?

(from 2004)
"Pittsburgh Bishop Donald Wuerl has written on why the church considers abortion and related issues to be of paramount concern, but has stopped short of saying it is the only issue on which Catholics should base their vote.

"If you're voting for a candidate because they support abortion, that is in fact problematic," Rauscher said. "However, if you vote for a candidate who happens to support abortion, but your conscience moves you to vote for that candidate for other reasons, that falls into another category."
( Susan Rauscher, secretary for pastoral and social concerns for the Diocese of Pittsburgh)

I could draw an analogy (I hope it makes sense). If you bite of the fruit of Knowledge of good and evil in order to know evil. it is wrong. However if you partake of it because it's good for food, pleasing to the eye and desirable for gaining wisdom, well then that's OK.


8 posted on 01/22/2007 8:44:31 AM PST by Varda
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To: vox_freedom; Canticle_of_Deborah
Wuerl's stand on lawmakers who back abortion angers some conservative Catholics

Yet Archbishop Chaput gets a free pass. Go figure.

9 posted on 01/22/2007 8:48:29 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE

Chaput has taken Ritter on as far as the abortion issue is concerned.

I want to know if Wuerl is ready to explain to Ms. Pelosi, at the general judgment, why he didn't love her enough to help her along the path of truth?


10 posted on 01/22/2007 8:56:09 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: mockingbyrd
Chaput has taken Ritter on as far as the abortion issue is concerned.

He didn't do anything about a mass said in his diocese specifically arranged for Gov. Ritter for his inauguration.

Even though,

"In Thursday's State of the State message, Ritter, a lifelong Catholic and former missionary, pledged to restore funding for family planning and pregnancy prevention[birth control]. He also said during the campaign that he wouldn't seek to overturn abortion laws and voiced support for same- sex unions. All are policies that run against church teachings."

11 posted on 01/22/2007 9:07:38 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: mockingbyrd
I want to know if Wuerl is ready to explain to Ms. Pelosi, at the general judgment, why he didn't love her enough to help her along the path of truth?

Is that the same as publicly condemning sin and putting a halt to scandal? In fact, that is what Bishops are charged with doing...

12 posted on 01/22/2007 9:37:17 AM PST by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: NYer
His temptation, he said, was to reply with, "What are YOU doing about it? How is your voice heard?"

The implied answer, of course, being "nothing". Thanks bishop. That's a tad too defensive there on the come back for my liking. Usually indicative of a nerve having been hit. What he's saying in effect is "don't tell me how to do my job........ take care of your own."

I'm not a bishop so I can't claim any pastoral charism but it seems to me there needs to be a graded and progressive approach to this issue as far as Catholic public figures are concerned. First there should be private discussions on this topic between pastor and politician. If this fails, then a public denunciation is warranted. Finally, if this in turn draws a blank, all other avenues being exhausted, it seems that withdrawal of Holy Communion would be the last resort. But to flatly rule it out seems to me to indicate to the public figure that this is not a truly serious issue and that the individual is not placing his or her eternal salvation in jeopardy.

The USCCB is fond of putting out missives about how things should be done. How about a coordinated plan of action for dealing with recalcitrant, pro-abortion CINOs in public office. That is, after they have finished their ramblings about immigration, the budget, the environment and all the other hot button issues.

13 posted on 01/22/2007 9:39:04 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: NYer
Sounds like he is likes the idea of being on Pelosi's side on this issue. I would look to see if there were any big donations lately from an anonymous donor. ;^ )
14 posted on 01/22/2007 9:46:05 AM PST by linn37 (Love your Phlebotomist)
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To: murphE
Of course there is a difference between "conservative Catholics" and "traditionalist Catholics." Chaput and Wuerl have been considered "conservatives," and perhaps they are given the far left political spectrum of this day and age. Yet we have seen both of these guys attempt to appease politicians instead of instructing them and their flocks on right vs. wrong, good vs. evil, virtue vs. sin.

This is one of the reasons I've kept my tagline for a while now ... so as to proclaim there must be no hedging, obfuscation, or doublespeak when it comes to God and His teachings. St. Matthew said as much, and we must expect the direct and full truth from local bishops. Nothing more, nothing less.

15 posted on 01/22/2007 9:47:09 AM PST by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: old and tired; trisham; NYer
Teaching is only one of the obligations of a bishop. One of the other obligations of a bishop (as symbolized by his crozier) is to administer discipline: not only for the protection of the flock, but also for the good of the soul of the one who is being disciplined. And THAT includes upholding Canon Law, including Canon 915 which states "Those who are excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion."

This canon treats two instances where members of the faithful are not to be admitted to Communion. The first deals with excommunication and interdicts -- ecclesiastical censures forbidding participation in the sacraments -- and the second refers to obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin.

In the Name of God, I ask you: Is abortion a "grave sin"? Is speaking for it, voting for it, and being an accomplice and accessory "manifest" participation in it? Is voting for it over and over again "obstinately persisting"?

Cardinal Francis Arinze, who, as Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, is the highest authority in the Catholic Church on the correct administration of the Blessed Sacrament, has REPEATEDLY stated that it is obvious that pro-abortion legislators must not be admitted to Holy Communion. And in 2004, a letter by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, (CDF) said that such legislators "must be refused" communion.

16 posted on 01/22/2007 9:47:56 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
In the Name of God, I ask you: Is abortion a "grave sin"? Is speaking for it, voting for it, and being an accomplice and accessory "manifest" participation in it? Is voting for it over and over again "obstinately persisting"?

**************

Yes to all.

17 posted on 01/22/2007 9:55:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
In the Name of God, I ask you: Is abortion a "grave sin"? Is speaking for it, voting for it, and being an accomplice and accessory "manifest" participation in it? Is voting for it over and over again "obstinately persisting"?

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

And, to go further, politicians and other public figures who are obstinate in persisting should be publicly condemned by leaders of the Church for the scandal they cause AND should be refused communion AND, if they continue to persist, they should be excommunicated.

18 posted on 01/22/2007 10:13:22 AM PST by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: old and tired

You won't see pics of him led away from abortion mill protests in chains, but you will see him at prayer breakfasts with Pelosi, Durbin, Kennedy, et al.


19 posted on 01/22/2007 10:21:24 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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To: murphE

It's all part of the cafeteria Catholicism practiced even by self described conservative Catholics.


20 posted on 01/22/2007 10:22:39 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah (The N.O. Mass is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.)
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To: old and tired
Coward.

You beat me to it.

21 posted on 01/22/2007 10:24:02 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: marshmallow

The bishop has the option of taking to the pulpit and saying plainly that because the abortion law in the United States is so extreme that it is totally incompatible with Catholic doctrine.


22 posted on 01/22/2007 10:25:39 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer
. . . infuriated the far-right edge of the Catholic blogosphere

Amy Welborn is not on the "far-right edge" of anything. Her blog is as mainstream as they come, and she had a lot to say about this outrage. Sometimes it seems the hierarchy is on the side of the "Catholics" who go to church only for photo-ops.

23 posted on 01/22/2007 11:32:26 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: marshmallow
I'm not a bishop so I can't claim any pastoral charism but it seems to me there needs to be a graded and progressive approach to this issue as far as Catholic public figures are concerned. First there should be private discussions on this topic between pastor and politician.

I'm sorry, FRiend, because I agree with you almost all the time. However, God will sift the wheat from the chaff. And, for those who have much, much will be expected. The Archbishop surely knows those lines of Scripture. The Lord will deal with him; all we can do is pray for him each and every day that he is guided by the Holy Spirit and that he is talking to these individuals in a pastoral way behind the scenes.

24 posted on 01/22/2007 1:25:30 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: RobbyS; Tax-chick

On the other hand....

CHARLOTTE OBSERVOR
Bishops take on stem cells
Priests in N.C.'s dioceses asked to educate parishes on Catholic stance against research
TIM FUNK

The Roman Catholic bishops of Charlotte and Raleigh are gearing up to try to defeat any move in the N.C. legislative session to appropriate money for embryonic stem cell research.

Bishop Peter Jugis of Charlotte and Bishop Michael Burbidge of Raleigh sent letters to parishes across the state directing priests to educate their flocks on Catholic teachings against such research.

Then later, N.C. Catholics may be asked to write and call their state lawmakers to urge them to do all they can to defeat any bill that would fund stem cell research in which embryos are used, Jugis told the Observer.

"These embryos are our brothers and sisters -- this is new human life that's begun, even though it's just in the embryonic stage," Jugis said. "We were once in the embryonic stage."

Supporters of embryonic stem cell research -- including many Catholics -- say it has the potential to cure such chronic diseases as diabetes and Parkinson's disease. They also say that the embryos used -- from fertility clinics -- will likely be discarded anyway.

Jugis said some couples do return to fertility clinics to reclaim the embryos or have them put up for adoption.

As for those suffering from chronic diseases, Jugis said the Catholic church can support research on adult stem cells, which come from organs and tissues.

"I'd say, `Let's work together to find a morally acceptable means to address cures,' " Jugis said.

Since President Bush's 2006 veto of legislation that would have expanded federal funding of such research, some governors and legislators have pushed for state funding.

In North Carolina, a state House committee has been studying the issue since 2005. And Rep. Earl Jones, D-Guilford, has said he'll push a bill sometime after March that would create research guidelines and set aside public money as research grants. He introduced a bill in 2005 that would have appropriated $10 million, but it faced opposition from social conservatives and never came up for a vote.

"When you cut through all the dialogue," Jones recently told the (Greensboro) News & Record, "what do you want to do -- destroy the embryos that are going to be thrown away anyway or use them for research purposes?"

But N.C. legislative leaders have so far not mentioned stem cell research as a top priority for the session that begins this week.

Still, Jugis and Burbidge are forging ahead just in case, asking N.C. Catholics to read three documents that are being inserted in church bulletins this month.

One of the documents explains Catholic teaching on sanctity of life issues. Another -- "A Call to Action" -- has the bishops inviting parishioners to "help defeat this legislation that would destroy innocent human life."

Asked how he can ask government to restrict funding for non-Catholics, too, on the basis of Catholic theology -- that life begins at conception -- Jugis said that "science ... shows that at that embryonic stage, there is already a new human being."

Jugis ruled in 2004 that Catholic politicians who supported abortion rights could not receive Communion in the Charlotte diocese. He said he has not decided whether he would penalize Catholic legislators who vote for embryonic stem cell research.

This is not the first time Jugis has weighed in on controversial issues. He's a steadfast opponent of abortion, has called for a moratorium on the death penalty in North Carolina, and has asked members of the state's congressional delegation to pass comprehensive and compassionate immigration reform.


25 posted on 01/22/2007 1:34:04 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frank Sheed

Feel free to disagree.......sometimes I read some of my old posts and think....."did I write that !!#*" ??


26 posted on 01/22/2007 1:49:45 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Frank Sheed

Above-average Bishops around here :-).


27 posted on 01/22/2007 2:16:45 PM PST by Tax-chick ("You're not very subtle, but you are effective.")
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To: NYer; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
Many Catholic clergy are democrats, vote democrat and support democrats. they want the money for Catholic Charities and Catholic Hospitals. It's all about govt. money and appeasing middle-class democrats who put money in the collection baskets week after week.
28 posted on 01/22/2007 2:25:49 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: old and tired
He noted that he sometimes gets letters from Catholics demanding to know what he will do about such situations. His temptation, he said, was to reply with, "What are YOU doing about it? How is your voice heard?"

With all due respect to Bp. Wuerl, I would not like to have to answer for this attitude at my particular judgement. He is the one who has charge of the flock, not those who write begging him to exercise his authority. The buck stops on his desk, not anywhere else.

If he doesn't want to act like a bishop, he should have refused the post.

29 posted on 01/22/2007 2:28:04 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: murphE

"In Thursday's State of the State message, Ritter, a lifelong Catholic and former missionary, pledged to restore funding for family planning and pregnancy prevention[birth control]. He also said during the campaign that he wouldn't seek to overturn abortion laws and voiced support for same- sex unions. All are policies that run against church teachings."



But . . . but . . . Ritter said that he was "pro-life"?


30 posted on 01/22/2007 2:31:22 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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31 posted on 01/22/2007 3:22:14 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Campion
If he doesn't want to act like a bishop, he should have refused the post.

************

Quite right.

32 posted on 01/22/2007 3:26:23 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: old and tired

"A response he made recently to questions about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have infuriated the far-right edge of the Catholic blogosphere, and drawn ire from some of the most conservative Catholic leaders of the anti-abortion movement."

LOL!! I'm on the FAR-RIGHT EDGE of something!!!


33 posted on 01/22/2007 3:28:47 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
One of the other obligations of a bishop (as symbolized by his crozier) is to administer discipline: not only for the protection of the flock, but also for the good of the soul of the one who is being disciplined.

Yep. Shepherds need that stick for whacking hard headed sheep from time to time to get them back into the flock.

34 posted on 01/22/2007 3:50:33 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: narses
On the day after he was elected, Ciro Rodriguez-Representative for the US 23rd District went to two Masses in San Antonio.

He is an avid Pro-Abort, and supports government funded embryonic stem cell research.

My Archbishop, Jose Gomez was the keynote speaker at the National Prayer Breakfast (last year, IIRC). He writes pro-life columns, and has mentioned the duty of Catholic Politicians to follow Church teaching.

It's very frustrating with the plethora of Catholic Politicians in this Archdiocese who support cannibalizing the unborn, that the Archbishop just turns a blind eye to these Pol's trotting out the Church, and scandalizing the faithful.

St. John Vianney, Pray for us.

35 posted on 01/22/2007 3:55:42 PM PST by sockmonkey (Jack Bauer's favorite meal is Middle Eastern Take Out)
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To: sockmonkey

Indeed.


36 posted on 01/22/2007 4:08:11 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Tax-chick

Papabile around there!

8-o]


37 posted on 01/22/2007 4:20:53 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
But . . . but . . . Ritter said that he was "pro-life"?

And everybody says Archbishop Chaput is "conservative".

Jeanette DeMelo, the archdiocese's communications director said, "Chaput wouldn't have stopped the Mass in any case: "He is aware of what people are saying, and the governor's sometimes very ambiguous position on abortion, but at the same time he has not judged that the situation required his action."


38 posted on 01/22/2007 4:52:09 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: vox_freedom
Is that the same as publicly condemning sin and putting a halt to scandal? In fact, that is what Bishops are charged with doing...

In my mind, yes. Which is why he owes an explanation as to his reasons for failing in his duties.

39 posted on 01/22/2007 5:01:07 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: murphE

And Archbishop Chaput has publicly denounced the governor's position and explained how it is not compatible with the Catholic Faith.


40 posted on 01/22/2007 5:02:19 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: mockingbyrd
And Archbishop Chaput has publicly denounced the governor's position and explained how it is not compatible with the Catholic Faith.

"...Chaput wouldn't have stopped the Mass in any case: "He is aware of what people are saying, and the governor's sometimes very ambiguous position on abortion, but at the same time he has not judged that the situation required his action."

41 posted on 01/22/2007 5:09:21 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer

Wuerl and men like him will destroy the Church if allowed to do so.


42 posted on 01/22/2007 5:12:24 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: jwalsh07; NYer

There is a famous story that concerns Napoleon as he entered Rome. He called a key Cardinal to his chambers and informed him that he, the Emperor, intended to destroy the Roman Catholic Church. The Cardinal is said to have responded, "Emperor, be my guest. We Catholics have attempted to do the very same for the past 1780 years but without success!"

Jesus has assured us that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Mystical Body. These current events of "mendacity" speak more as to the actors in this drama then to Holy Mother Church.

As Christ once asked, "When I return, will anyone be left?" That is a question each of us must answer every second of every day in our lives. We all must find the "narrow path" for the road to perdition is broad.


43 posted on 01/22/2007 6:33:19 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer

Wuehrl was VERY visibly absent from the rally of Catholic bishops for life, which took place four hours and only 1/2 mile from where the mass was.


44 posted on 01/22/2007 9:56:09 PM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: dangus
Wuehrl was VERY visibly absent from the rally of Catholic bishops for life, which took place four hours and only 1/2 mile from where the mass was.

Because the bishops are towards the end of the rally, the bishop of Washington sometimes appears earlier or not at all since he traditionally leads the March.

However, he is always introduced, whether he is present or not. After McCarrick cowered away from the stage last year so as not to be introduced to the embarrassing smattering of boos and general crickets in the crowd, Rigali thought better of announcing Wuerl who is McCarrick's successor in both body and spirit.

45 posted on 01/23/2007 9:01:59 AM PST by old and tired
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To: Frank Sheed

"There is a famous story that concerns Napoleon as he entered Rome. He called a key Cardinal to his chambers and informed him that he, the Emperor, intended to destroy the Roman Catholic Church. The Cardinal is said to have responded, 'Emperor, be my guest. We Catholics have attempted to do the very same for the past 1780 years but without success!'"

ROTFLMAO!!!

Post of the week!


46 posted on 01/23/2007 9:38:39 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Thanks! ;-o)

The story is from "Triumph: The Power and the Glory of the Catholic Church: A 2,000-Year History" by H. W. Crocker III, a book which covers 20 centuries from the time of Christ to the crisis of the priesthood today. It is a marvelous book and this is one of the anecdotes I can remember. Highly recommended!


47 posted on 01/23/2007 4:33:29 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frank Sheed

Dear Frank Sheed,

I actually read the book. I'll have to re-read to remember more nuggets like this.


sitetest


48 posted on 01/23/2007 5:03:18 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
And for those of us who've attended Mass in the diocese, it's easy to see the Pittsburgh diocese has a well-stocked buffet in their cafeteria, a little something for everyone. A giant melange of the new and the old, the licit and devout and barely licit or flagrantly wrong (I'm thinking of the children's Mass I attended with my son a few years ago...). My own (Erie) diocese has less tolerance for their cafeteria, i.e. some of the devout and 'old-fashioned' things have been vilified or tossed aside, occasionally re-instituted for brief times to settle some disagreement.
49 posted on 01/23/2007 7:21:25 PM PST by fortunecookie (My computer is back!)
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To: vox_freedom

It's ok for a Catholic to be pro-abortion as long as he/she is a Democrat.

I wish I were being sarcastic.


50 posted on 01/29/2007 12:42:46 PM PST by wiley
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