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Official Anti-Catholic Bigotry Returns to British Parliament
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/29/06 | Hilary White

Posted on 01/29/2007 4:10:13 PM PST by wagglebee

LONDON, January 29, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – British Catholics heard a flurry of naked anti-Catholic sentiments expressed last week by some government Members and Cabinet Ministers in the “row” over the government’s decision to force Churches to adopt children to homosexuals.

Anti-Catholic, anti-clerical and anti-papal slurs had been, until as recently as fifty years ago, standard fare in Britain’s political discourse where the established state Protestant religion is officially anti-Catholic, but most British people, both Catholics and Anglicans, were grateful to assign them to history’s waste bin.

“I’m not going to have some bloody reactionary German Pope dictate the law of our land,” said one minister quoted by Mary Ann Sieghart.

Sieghart writes in an Op-Ed in the Times, that another admitted, “only half-jokingly,” that his mother had always told him, “Never trust a Catholic.” A third asked, “Where’s all the child abuse and paedophilia? In the Catholic Church. They should get their own bloody house in order and sort out the way paedophilia lies hidden.”

The anti-Catholic sentiment of Labour’s hard-left elite, however, is not shared by everyone on the government side of the House. Of the 40 Catholic MP’s of Blair’s Labour party, a majority wanted the exemption.

The Telegraph quotes Peter Kilfoyle, MP for Liverpool Walton, a working class region, “This is just one more reason not to vote for us.” Kilfoyle’s seat is considered one of the Labour Party's safest since 1964, with Labour polling over 70% of the vote in every general election since 1992.

Kilfoyle said his constituents and many like-minded Britons would not take kindly at voting time to a Labour Party that appears to be bullying churches. Describing his constituents as “not the most enlightened people” Kilfoyle said, “They would be viewed by the London liberal tendency that is pushing this agenda as reactionary.”

“But they are decent people, with decent values, and they do not understand why the Government is doing this. They will react with disgust if any of the agencies do close. We will pay a heavy price and lose votes all over the country.”

Joe Benton, the MP for neighbouring Bootle, said, “I have strong reservations over this. Nothing has persuaded me that it is right. There should be an exemption for the Church. We are getting ourselves into a terrible mess.”

British public opinion is almost exactly divided, with polls showing 42 per cent favouring an exemption and 43 per cent against. The Guardian reports today that the most recent polls show public trust in the Labour government has fallen to 21%, with “personal satisfaction” of Blair rating at just 26%.


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“I’m not going to have some bloody reactionary German Pope dictate the law of our land,” said one minister quoted by Mary Ann Sieghart.

So instead you will do everything possible to oblige the sodomites.

1 posted on 01/29/2007 4:10:14 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/29/2007 4:10:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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3 posted on 01/29/2007 4:12:17 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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4 posted on 01/29/2007 4:19:22 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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5 posted on 01/29/2007 4:20:07 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: TonyRo76

The socialists in the UK are slamming the "German Pope" because he doesn't believe sodomites should be allowed to adopt.


6 posted on 01/29/2007 4:28:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Hasn't Catholic charities in Massachusetts closed down its adoption system precisely over this issue?
7 posted on 01/29/2007 5:14:04 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

I'm not sure which state, but yes, it's happening.


8 posted on 01/29/2007 5:22:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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9 posted on 01/29/2007 5:23:11 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: wagglebee

So, where's the Conservative Party in all this? Lying low?


10 posted on 01/29/2007 5:33:40 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

As far as I can tell, they've been lying low for over a decade.


11 posted on 01/29/2007 5:34:27 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Nice to see that the English hold on to some of their time honored traditions.
(joking)
12 posted on 01/29/2007 5:37:09 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: wagglebee
A third asked, “Where’s all the child abuse and paedophilia? In the Catholic Church. They should get their own bloody house in order and sort out the way paedophilia lies hidden.”

And this is an example of how the newsie scum set the political agenda by selecting what to say and what to suppress.

But, yes, clearly, if the choice is between "pleasing Catholics" and pleasing sodomites, the British subjects prefer the sodomites.

13 posted on 01/29/2007 5:42:02 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: escapefromboston

In Churchill's famous words, "Rum, buggery, and the lash."


14 posted on 01/29/2007 5:42:30 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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15 posted on 01/29/2007 6:09:42 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: wagglebee

The putrid rhetoric from these UK socialists sounds oddly familiar.


16 posted on 01/29/2007 6:15:14 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cicero

"So, where's the Conservative Party in all this? Lying low?"

It would seem so. The parallels between their so-called "conservative" party and our GOP are stunning.


17 posted on 01/29/2007 6:22:07 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Cicero
Now now Cicero, it takes time to figure out a policy of just being a little to the right of (New)Labour. One can't be to much to the right and obviously one can't agree with your opponent. /src

I would be curious where UKIP is on this. Would be a good issue to take and run with.
18 posted on 01/29/2007 6:53:09 PM PST by neb52
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To: wagglebee

It's time to start treating homosexuals as political subversives. Their objectives can only be realized by the destruction of the current political order; in that sense, they are no different as a class than Islamists.


19 posted on 01/29/2007 6:55:43 PM PST by Loyalist (Social justice isn't; social studies aren't; social work doesn't.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Hasn't Catholic charities in Massachusetts closed down its adoption system precisely over this issue?

Yep. Unfortunately, many of the folks who worked there thought that the Church was wrong, and that homosexuals should have been able to adopt. They've bought into the 'don't want to offend' attitude.

20 posted on 01/29/2007 9:06:13 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Kolokotronis
Hasn't Catholic charities in Massachusetts closed down its adoption system precisely over this issue?

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Yes.

21 posted on 01/30/2007 1:45:13 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mad Dawg
In the first place, "all the child abuse and paedophilia" is hardly in the Catholic church (it just got the coverage, and yes I know it's from the quote you selected, not your comment); in the second place, the scandal in the Catholic church was over 90% percent a matter of homosexual abuse of adolescents, so in effect the Church learned the hard way what it should never have forgotten. And what secular government is apparently determined to ignore.
22 posted on 01/30/2007 1:53:44 AM PST by maryz
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To: RKBA Democrat; Cicero
The parallels between their so-called "conservative" party and our GOP are stunning.

I'm amazed that conservatives don't take this issue and run with it - being AGAINST the gay agenda is an election WINNER. How many states in the US VOTED "NO" to gay marriage when brought to the ballot? The majority, right?

I'm guessing this issue's no different. Politicians are so out of touch with the common man these days.

23 posted on 01/30/2007 2:18:11 AM PST by Caravaggio
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To: wagglebee
“Where’s all the child abuse and paedophilia? In the Catholic Church."

She's not only one of the most hate-filled bigots out there, but one of the most ignorant. What a stupid thing to say.

24 posted on 01/30/2007 2:25:28 AM PST by Caravaggio
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To: wagglebee

So instead you will do everything possible to oblige the sodomites

Thats the Priests!


25 posted on 01/30/2007 2:29:53 AM PST by MadMitch
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To: wagglebee
British public opinion is almost exactly divided, with polls showing 42 per cent favouring an exemption and 43 per cent against.

This is most frightening, since the politicians follow the people. (And the people are following the ideas of the intelligentsia, popularized by the mass media. So whoever controls the academy controls society).

26 posted on 01/30/2007 4:44:45 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: MadMitch
Thats the Priests!

Priestly sexual abuse of minors is a horrible thing. Even worse was the coverup of these crimes by some bishops.

But just keep in mind the fact that priests abuse minors less frequently than teachers or ministers.

In the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent....

According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse...

Dr. Thomas Plante, a psychologist at Santa Clara University, found that “80 to 90% of all priests who in fact abuse minors have sexually engaged with adolescent boys, not prepubescent children. Thus, the teenager is more at risk than the young altar boy or girls of any age.”...

In New York City alone, at least one child is sexually abused by a school employee every day...Shakeshaft has also determined that 15 percent of all students have experienced some kind of sexual misconduct by a teacher between kindergarten and 12th grade; the behaviors range from touching to forced penetration. She and Cohan also found that up to 5 percent of teachers sexually abuse children.

SEXUAL ABUSE IN SOCIAL CONTEXT: CATHOLIC CLERGY AND OTHER PROFESSIONALS


27 posted on 01/30/2007 4:55:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: RKBA Democrat

David Cameron believes in gay adoption like Tony Blair with no execptions for the Catholic Church. Blair has said all Labor MP's must support the Sexual Orientation Regulations while Cameron says Conservatives can have a free vote on it.
(Tories can vote as they please)


28 posted on 01/30/2007 5:43:27 AM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
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Hasn't Catholic charities in Massachusetts closed down its adoption system precisely over this issue?

In Mass, and San Fran.

29 posted on 01/30/2007 6:26:10 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: maryz
Yeah. Exactly. What the newsies don't get (and some of us don't get either) is that a shared mindset eliminates the need for conspiracy. They just all (a)think Homosexual behavior is good; and (b) the RCC is evil. So any sex abuse in the RCC MUST have been paedophilia because that's about all they have left of which to disapprove. And any ephebephilia on the part of Protestant clergy is just a random accident (except possibly in cases where such clergy are outspoken in their disapproval of sexual sin), while any sexual misbehavior from RCC clergy or religious is an organic consequence of their celibacy.

There's nothing alike assuming something to be true to help one prove it.

"All the news that we can make fit."

30 posted on 01/30/2007 6:29:30 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Mad Dawg

Exactly you cover up child abuse, move the Priests from parish to parish or out of the country and they tar the whole RCC with the same brush!
Did any other Church cover up child abuse and let the offenders reoffend?
At least the Bishop of Galway only messed around with women.


31 posted on 01/30/2007 7:28:50 AM PST by MadMitch
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To: MadMitch
Yes, as a matter of fact other denominations DO cover up sexual abuse. I happen to know this because as a former Protestant clergyman I reported a serial abuser to my superiors. And guess what: They covered it up. The guy moved to another jurisdiction.

And we all need to do some thinking about the distinction between pre-pubescent child sexual abuse and "ephebephilia", not in terms of their depravity but in terms of their psychology.

You yourself could stand to do some research about WHEN the most awful and notorious of the RCC cases took place and what the prevailing psychiatric opinion on appropriate responses was at the time -- only if you're interested in the truth. If all one cares about is bashing the RCC church, then I guess the truth isn't really a concern.

Have a nice day.

32 posted on 01/30/2007 8:13:20 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Mad Dawg
There's nothing alike assuming something to be true to help one prove it.

LOL! More like they assume instead of prove -- saves all that time and trouble and messy details, like facts!

33 posted on 01/30/2007 8:50:03 AM PST by maryz
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To: Mad Dawg

Sounds like the world would be better off without any religion in the world, if all the clergy can do is abuse children, shelter war criminals or tell the young to be sucide bombers they wont be greatly missed.


34 posted on 01/30/2007 9:08:16 AM PST by MadMitch
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To: MadMitch
Try some facts for a change. You've already been offered this information.
35 posted on 01/30/2007 10:44:39 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Mad Dawg

The fact is we would be better off with out any religion in the world. We could use all the holy buildings to house people instead of statues, use the money all the religious groups have tucked away in the bank, in shares to improve the quality of life for millions of people.


36 posted on 01/30/2007 11:22:38 AM PST by MadMitch
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To: AnAmericanMother

Mother,

Wasn't Sir Winston referring to the Navy in that quote? I know he was First Lord of the Admiralty in WW-I, but he was always an Army man through and through, n'est ce pas?


37 posted on 01/30/2007 3:56:01 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Aquinasfan

Expect sharia law in less than 10 years. That will solve everything.


38 posted on 01/30/2007 3:58:28 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: AnAmericanMother

"The real traditions of the British Navy are rum, buggery and the lash." (Winston Churchill)


39 posted on 01/30/2007 4:02:30 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: wagglebee

If only the British still had someone with the intellect and brilliance of Gilbert Keith Chesterton alive today. He'd have a field day dueling these fools in the daily op-eds.

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40 posted on 01/30/2007 4:08:03 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frank Sheed

Tony Blair's wife and children are Catholic, he attends Mass every week and is rumored to have either secretly converted or will upon leaving office. There are many prominent British Catholics, I am astonished that none of them are coming forward.


41 posted on 01/30/2007 4:11:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

It was my understanding that Mrs. Blair is a Catholic but not what one would call an "orthodox" Catholic. A "Google" on her audience with the Pope might disclose more.


42 posted on 01/30/2007 4:40:40 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Frank Sheed

Of course he was referring to the traditions of the Navy . . . but it just seemed to fit.


43 posted on 01/30/2007 4:42:05 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Frank Sheed

More on Mrs. Blair's audience with the Holy Father:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623973/posts


44 posted on 01/30/2007 4:51:21 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: MadMitch
Not a new idea . . .

John 12:

3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,

5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

. . . of course, you know how well that turned out.

45 posted on 01/30/2007 5:10:22 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: MadMitch
And here's a point worth considering:

A foster mother pays tribute to the Archbishop of Canterbury's compassion

Read on into the article:

Liam Lucas was just one of the children abused by predatory paedophiles who took advantage of far-Left Islington Council's childcare policies in the Eighties and Nineties, when it pro-actively recruited gay social workers.

Paedophiles exploited its well-intentioned commitment to equal opportunities and soon most of Islington's 12 children's homes had child molesters on the staff who cynically pretended to be ordinary homosexuals. Numerous children and other staff made allegations of abuse, but were branded homophobes and ignored.

. . . religion is not the problem -- the problem is chickenhawks and liberals.

46 posted on 01/30/2007 5:19:42 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: wagglebee

You might look into her beliefs on abortion and condoms for the prevention of AIDS. She has upset some Life groups in Great Britain. Whether this is a tempest in a teapot, or whether she is truly pro abort is not known to me. I had heard that she was a bit of a loose cannon, however.


47 posted on 01/30/2007 7:21:11 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: AnAmericanMother
religion is not the problem -- the problem is chickenhawks and liberals

And of course some new P.C. movies coming out deal with the issue of sexual "specieism" and why folks can't just get along with their pet llamas and be left alone by society.

48 posted on 01/30/2007 7:24:53 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: MadMitch
Sounds like the world would be better off without any religion in the world

That has worked out just smashingly in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea, the Peoples' Republic of China (or any other so-called "Peoples' Republic") ... Cuba is just 90 miles off Florida ... I hear they have a wonderful little religion-free country going on down there.

Sounds like the world would be better off without any atheists in the world, if all they can do is imprison folks who disagree with them, mass murder any population that gets in their way, threaten the rest of the world with nuclear annihilation, or create the world's worst cases of catastrophic environmental pollution.

49 posted on 01/30/2007 8:01:01 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wagglebee

I'm fully with you on this one my friend. :) It is patently unchristian to force the Church to adopt to homosexuals. Whoever those clowns are in Britain who are doing this, they ain't my guys. :)


50 posted on 02/02/2007 1:34:25 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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