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Rep. Ron Paul: Running to Win in 2008 (Announcing the GRPPL -- Great Ron Paul Ping List)
Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Exploratory Committee ^ | February 3, 2007 | Orthodox Presbyterian

Posted on 02/03/2007 12:49:38 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian

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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Lexinom; Diego1618; Dr. Eckleburg

CORRECTION: Roughly 5 major areas that they get TWELVE minutes each on. (WAKE UP, SELF!)


21 posted on 02/03/2007 3:15:53 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Lexinom; xzins
Ron Paul is pro-National Defense and pro-SDI. He does believe that Congress should constitutionally Declare War before major overseas military actions commence.

He enjoys a Zero percent rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League.

22 posted on 02/03/2007 3:16:35 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Lexinom

I believe the Constitution foresaw military operations short of war. At the time these were covered by "letters of marque and reprisal."

Privateers were ships licensed to prey on the vessels of other nations with whom we had a bone to pick.


23 posted on 02/03/2007 3:18:51 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; P-Marlowe
I know I'm in the minority here. I'm not enthusiastic about any of the announced candidates (Hunter included), but a few intrigue me.

Guiliani did do a lot of good in New York City. His quality of life anti-crime campaign made New York safe to walk in again. He was a very effective leader for the City - and the job of Mayor of New York is, in my own opinion, the job most similar to that of President in terms of scope and scale. My big concerns with Guiliani? His questionable judgment with respect to Bernard Kerik, a man who was as dirty as it gets.

Romney also intrigues me - particularly his background on fiscal issues, and his fairly strong (if somewhat recent) stances on social issues. My biggest concern is that I don't know what he'll do on the WOT or Iraq. I do not care that he is a Mormon. To quote Martin Luther, "I would rather be ruled by a wise [Muslim] than by a foolish Christian." The same applies, IMHO, to Mormon presidential candidates.

I can't imagine myself voting for any of the Democrats. Hillary would be their best choice, if I could discount her history as a Clinton (I can't) and her shameless pandering to the Moveon.Org segment of the party (I can't). Obama is an attractive candidate only insofar as he is a human Rorschach blot upon whom people project what they want to see.

24 posted on 02/03/2007 3:20:15 PM PST by jude24
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To: xzins; Lexinom
I believe the Constitution foresaw military operations short of war. At the time these were covered by "letters of marque and reprisal." Privateers were ships licensed to prey on the vessels of other nations with whom we had a bone to pick.

Yes, Ron Paul introduced the "Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001" back on October 11, 2001 (to "allow Congress to authorize the President to specifically target Bin Laden and his associates using non-government armed forces") and "The Air Piracy Reprisal and Capture Act of 2001" as additional tools in tracking and destroying terror cells.

25 posted on 02/03/2007 3:28:02 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; P-Marlowe
He enjoys a Zero percent rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League.

Unfortunately, Abortion is a non-issue. Even if we reconstituted the Supreme Court entirely with Alito and Roberts clones, the Supreme Court holds starae decisis so tightly that they will not overrule Roe v. Wade. Abortion will be legal as long as the Supreme Court subscribes to that philosophy.

The fight, therefore, must be ensuring that abortion is rare. A mixture of regulation and social pressures can accomplish what the Supreme Court never will.

26 posted on 02/03/2007 3:28:36 PM PST by jude24
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To: jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Lexinom; Diego1618

I treat the primaries totally differently than I do the general election.

The primaries are for getting the guy closest to your perfect candidate to be the standard-bearer for your party.

If that fails, then in almost all cases you support the party. If I have a violent objection to the party candidate, then I have to ask myself if there is a line that the party nominee has crossed that makes it impossible for me to support him.

In terms of electability, I think Rudy's messy personal life will do him in; same with Gingrich. McCain's hatred of the conservative wing of the party will deny him the nomination. Massachusetts has a penchant for flip-floppers; and since Mormon flip-floppers are a really new catch for the American electorate, I think Romney will go the way of his Michigan daddy.


27 posted on 02/03/2007 3:28:38 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: jude24
I know I'm in the minority here. I'm not enthusiastic about any of the announced candidates (Hunter included), but a few intrigue me.

Well, Ron Paul isn't yet officially "announced", so howzabout him?

28 posted on 02/03/2007 3:29:08 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Well, Ron Paul isn't yet officially "announced", so howzabout him?

He's way further to the right than I. I would be uncomfortable voting for him, certainly in a primary.

A Hillary v. Ron Paul or an Obama v. Ron Paul matchup would keep me awake at night.

29 posted on 02/03/2007 3:30:17 PM PST by jude24
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To: jude24
Even if we reconstituted the Supreme Court entirely with Alito and Roberts clones, the Supreme Court holds starae decisis so tightly that they will not overrule Roe v. Wade.

I think that's true of Roberts, but not Alito. I believe I recall remarks from Alito to exactly that effect -- regarding Scott and Plessy, for example.

30 posted on 02/03/2007 3:31:01 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins
Either Paul or Hunter would be an excellent choice. I hate to sound like Der Schlickmeister, but I'll need to see which one runs the better campaign up close to the first primaries. It is self-defeating to send money to both, however.

Does Ron Paul have broad enough appeal to be able to win the general? Hunter could get crossover support from American manufacturing because of his strong (and Reaganesque) views on free, fair trade. That's a reason to have hope for him in the general, esp. against a far-left Stalinist like the two Dem frontrunners. Would Rep. Paul, with his conservative social stances, likewise be capable of pulling in votes from the center?

31 posted on 02/03/2007 3:31:23 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; P-Marlowe; xzins
I think that's true of Roberts

It's very true of Roberts. I don't know if you've noticed, but the decisions this term have been far less sweeping than the ones issued under the Warren Court or the Rehnquist Court. That's largely due to Robert's philosophy that the Supreme Court should not pontificate like law professors do, but somewhat more narrowly decide the issue at hand.

As far as I am concerned, that seems to be a breath of fresh air - and, from what I've heard, the Court seems to be functioning better this term. It will be interesting to keep an eye on this Court.

32 posted on 02/03/2007 3:34:44 PM PST by jude24
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Did anyone in the Federalist papers ever define the word "war?" Were there others in those early days who saw operations short of all-out societal war being legitimate objectives for our military forces?


33 posted on 02/03/2007 3:35:49 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
The primaries are for getting the guy closest to your perfect candidate to be the standard-bearer for your party.

I haven't seen one in either party, so I'm stuck wondering whether I should even vote in a primary (a first for me!), and if so, for whom. I'm leaning Guiliani or Romney, but willing to listen for others who are somewhat moderate.

I'll pay more attention once the primaries get closer.

34 posted on 02/03/2007 3:36:40 PM PST by jude24
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To: xzins; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Did anyone in the Federalist papers ever define the word "war?" Were there others in those early days who saw operations short of all-out societal war being legitimate objectives for our military forces?

I know this is heresy around here, but why do we care how the Federalist papers defined "war"? It's fundamentally irrelevant how an agrarian, Colonial-era society defined "war," when crossing the Atlantic took weeks, not hours. In a modern, "world-is-flat" era, the definition of war in the 1790's is an anachronism neither required nor desirable to interpret the Constitution.

35 posted on 02/03/2007 3:38:54 PM PST by jude24
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Actually, Congress has the authority to end legal abortion without input from the SCOTUS, which is why Hunter introduced his legilation in 2003 - and reintroduced it a few days ago.

The approach to this issue needs to be balanced, both top-down (Govt. incl. SCOTUS, Congress, the new effort in SD) and bottom-up (crisis pregnancy center support, abstinence education, culture-of-life, and just show the darned procedure, already!). So I half-agree with you.

36 posted on 02/03/2007 3:41:03 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: jude24

I care how they saw it, because I don't think the idea of limited military operations is new at all.

It never hurts to see history.


37 posted on 02/03/2007 3:43:53 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Lexinom
Does Ron Paul have broad enough appeal to be able to win the general?... Would Rep. Paul, with his conservative social stances, likewise be capable of pulling in votes from the center?

I believe so.

Ron Paul's advocacy for State's Rights federalism on many social issues may make him more acceptable to the moderate center than politicians who claim that they will mandate social conservatism from Washington DC.

38 posted on 02/03/2007 3:49:47 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Gotta go. I'll be back; in the meantime, interested FReepers just send me an Email.

ronpaulcalvinist@sbcglobal.net

39 posted on 02/03/2007 3:51:27 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

No "pro-open borders" Republican candidate for President will ever have a serious chance for victory in '08, but Rep. Ron Paul can still bring up issues during the Republican primary season and during the Republican debates that otherwise wouldn't be brought up just by running for President.


40 posted on 02/03/2007 3:52:03 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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