Another theologian swims the Tiber. What did we get in exchange for this guy?
"Donut Man" converts to Catholicism
Posted on 02/08/2007 9:06:56 AM PST by Gamecock
FROM A CATHOLIC HIPPY TO A BAPTIST PREACHER is our video for the week. This interview was made recently in Groton NY. The transition from bring a longhaired hippy to being accepted in Christ Jesus is really remarkable. Please inform your friends about the new video, and let us have your comments or better still post them on the Google site.
What do ya'll think of this?
Lol ... Congratulations! You keep sending us your theologians and we'll send you our 'hippies'.
Another theologian swims the Tiber. What did we get in exchange for this guy?
"Donut Man" converts to Catholicism
"Far From Rome, Near to God: Testimonies of Fifty Converted Roman Catholic Priests." Edited by Richard Bennett and Martin Buckingham. Edinburgh: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1997.
My father is a Catholic converted to the Baptist faith.
He's far, far harder on the RCs than I would ever dare to put into print.
He claims that he is saved by grace through faith in Christ.
That's all that matters to me.
LOLOL and really?
Here's a hippie that stayed...
"Indeed the human nature of Christ had a real causal relation to Mary, but his sonship is not a matter of his nature but of his person."
~William Ames Medulla Theologica
Thanks. sounds great!
After an RC education from grade school through college, my husband fled the RC church with such determination he became an atheist. Finally, God sent him a wandering, semi-literate Presbyterian girl and together they found the truth waiting in the Scriptures all along.
He's far, far harder on the RCs than I would ever dare to put into print.
My husband, too. He says it's because he knows of what he speaks. 8~)
He's my patron saint and he's not dead yet. I'd recommend him for baptist orders but I think he still smokes.
Just when I think I've included everyone on the thread, someone always pops in under the wire.
Consider yourself pinged, Q. 8~)
Sniff, that's beautiful!
Now where are my tissues...
"He claims that he is saved by grace through faith in Christ."
Yeah but, was he baptized by immersion after he professed faith and does he have a letter from another baptist church and is he KJV only and does his church have a bus ministry? Huh?
"Now where are my tissues..."
Use your sleeves like the rest of us Baptists. That's why God invented shirt sleeves for men.
My husband, too. He says it's because he knows of what he speaks. 8~)
Really? The things you learn here...
A bit like the Chateau d'If, no?
Finally, God sent him a wandering, semi-literate Presbyterian girl and together they found the truth waiting in the Scriptures all along.
I can't imagine you ever being semi-literate.
Can't remember where I found this or I'd post a link, however, che sara, sara. I thought you might like it.
Unfortunately, this is all too often not the operative understanding of the evangelical mission of the Church and the echoes of Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa’s dictum, “When we need a labor union we go to our parish priest; when we need the word of God we go to the Protestant pastor,” resound loudly and unfortunately true. He goes on to say-and his comments merit extensive citation-that:In his letter to the Romans, St. Paul says, “I am not ashamed of the Gospel; it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who has faith.” (Rom. 1:16) Obviously even in that time too there was the temptation to be ashamed of the Gospel. For the Jews it was a scandal and for the Greeks, stupidity. (1 Cor. 1:22-25) Paul writes to the Galatians, “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel...”…I think we must repeat this cry of the Apostle again in our times.
Proper Presbyterians use our Kilts, but there are wee female relations in the room and seeing how proper Presbyterians also go "regimental," decorum calls for a tissue.
I love an egalitarian.
Liberte, Egalite, Fraternate ...
nO SWEAT.
THX
It's interesting that you see so much bitterness among ex Catholics while most say that former Proddies who go into RCism have fond memories of their former faith. I've seen that said numerous times on FR and on other boards as well.
It's almost like the former smokers, drug addicts and others are especially hard on those who remain trapped in that lifestyle.
"Proper Presbyterians use our Kilts"
NEVER MIND! Oh never mind, please, please, never mind!
TMI?
I clicked on the link. I think the link connects one to the sound of Pete Townsend's guitar after he just smashed it at Monterey...
I am a Catholic. I rejoice when anyone finds Jesus, welcomes Him into their lives and offers their heart, mind and soul to His service and for the Glory of His name.
I would rather a person be a good Protestants faithfully following the Word of God than a bad Catholic who just goes through the motions of belief yet does not know Christ.
May God bless and keep all who call upon Jesus as Lord and Savior. May His kingom come, His will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
To 22
"Now why did you go and put that picture in my head?"
- Bob Newhart
Well said.
Amen.
Just my thoughts, GC.
Interesting observation.
How many times have you had a conversation with another Proddie on Justification that goes something like this:
You: We are saved by Grace in Christ alone.
Fellow Proddie: Of course, but our works....
I really think that some people just can't buy off on the idea of Sola Fide. They will acknowledge Christ, but have to include their own filthy rags into the equation. Those are the likely candidates for the Roman Church, as well as any number of cults who are eager to add their own works to Christ's perfect work.
Yuck!
Accurate, but yuck just the same. (Which proves the accuracy of your analogy)
Nonetheless I don't think I'll use that one.
I'm fond of describing sin as "Flipping God off." That always gets a surprised look from people.
My husband, too. He says it's because he knows of what he speaks. 8~)
I would bet that he doesn't. The fact of the matter is that it is perfectly human and natural for someone to belittle or even treat harshly an organization in which a person had left on bad terms. Is this not the case of an employee who is fired for stealing? Or if the employee feels that the employer treats him poorly? Is it any different here? To justify one's choice (religious or secular) on such issues, it is not unusual for that person to speak very poorly of their former religious or secular affiliation so as to justify their own decision.
My experience on this and other threads tells me that very few Catholics who leave Catholicism actually knew the teachings of the Church. This is evident in the need for Catholics here to correct misinterpretations of teachings given by "former Catholics" who supposedly "know" Catholicism.
Regards
***Is this not the case of an employee who is fired for stealing?***
Nothing like poisoning the well now is there.....
It's interesting you say this. I've been in an extensive dialogue with one of my Marines who left Protestantism for Catholicism for those reasons you just listed. What I've come to learn from him is that he has become very knowledgable about the RCC, but was never really taught by his the church of his youth the Reformers reasons for reforming.
Sometimes. I teach RCIA, so I see the converts we get. I know this may be a shock, but there are nominal Protestants who don't know Scriptures hardly at all. Thus, it is a false presumption to think that the Catholic Church "gets all the jewels". It depends on how serious the person is committed to knowing God - whether becoming a Catholic OR a Protestant.
Regards
you responded Nothing like poisoning the well now is there.....
The point I made has nothing to do with "poisoning the well", you are taking it the wrong way... I was merely saying that people leave on their own while others are tossed out of the Church. There is evidence of this even in Scriptures. In BOTH cases, regardless of the circumstances, people tend to dress up their own version of why they left/kicked out, while placing all the blame on the "church". This is also true in a Protestant who leaves one community to join another, is it not?
What did Adam say when God question him about the fruit again???
I am merely describing the human condition - which includes Protestants as well as Catholics. I wasn't attempting to say anything offensive vs. Protestants.
Regards
Nothing like poisoning the well, now, is there?
My Mother also has no idea what infallibility is all about, neither does my Father. That's not their fault, it's the fault of a Church that had insufficient regard for the People of God. The only slack I'll give the Catholic church in this regard is that WWII intervened, but my Father was 17 when that happened, and my Mom 11. My Father should have been better catechized, and catechesis for my Mom and all of her peers could have been picked up on by the Church after '45, but when you're used to dictating what's what to a group of people, the incentive to go the extra mile just isn't there.
My parents and my brothers love and follow Our Lord, it is quite likely that if anyone is the goat, it's me.
My husband did not leave the RCC "on bad terms."
He fled the RCC, by the grace of God alone.
very few Catholics who leave Catholicism actually knew the teachings of the Church
lol. I can understand why you would want that to be so. But evidence is to the contrary. In my husband's case, 14 years of catholic education was profoundly instructive.
He knows of what you speak.
It's been fun. 8~)
I don't want to be misunderstood here because of my poor choice of words. When I wrote First Person, I meant that Christ is the first person they run to in prayer.
About a month ago, I had to take my Mom to Roswell for a checkup. I got caught in a traffic jam that caused me to be 45 minutes late. I'm always on time, so my parents started to panic. When I walked in the door, my Father started crying and thanking Jesus that I was safe. Four hours later when I returned from Roswell, he was still praying to Our Lord and crying. When I used to come home from college, he would wait for me at the end of the driveway, with tears in his eyes. I expected everyone to love me like that. Pretty stupid, huh?
Why do buses need the Gospel?
True story. When we lived in Arlington, VA wife heard a knock on the door. Two middle-aged men offered to take our four-year-old son to church in their bus ministry.
Wife just looked at them and wondered why anyone in their right mind would send a child off with two strange men.
She figgered they went off talking about that horrible woman who wouldn't let her child go to church.
I don't 'spose telling about my father witnessing his brother being beat with a rubber hose by a priest (other atrocities witnessed as well) at the orphanage they lived in would make a difference, would it?
That would only be taken as evidence that it was emotional and not theological.
However, it is also possible that it was God's way to have my father begin to think theologically about theological shortcomings of the RCC. From Dad's perspective, this is the case.
I get the same story from my uncle, his brother, but he did not leave the RCC. His son did, though, and finally, my octogenarian uncle is questioning.
They were either:
1) Up to NO GOOD AT ALL.
2) Really, REALLY naive ... and not very bright.
It's also possible that it was satan's way of using an evil person's evil behaviour to cloud your Father's ability to see the Truth taught by the Catholic Church.
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