Posted on 02/26/2007 4:15:48 AM PST by Gamecock
Thanks. I was pretty sure that the Crusaders were using a "True Cross" as their battle standard. Not being 'up' on religious iconography I didn't know if it was supposed to be intact, incorporate a piece of the (true) True Cross, or was 1 of those purporting to be THE True Cross.
You've sparked an interest. I'll read-up on the subject.
From http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/26/D8NHFDRG3.html
Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.
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Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun."
Hanun? Who the heck is Hanun?
I can think of a lot of possible explanations for this tomb. For instance it could be a 2nd or 3rd century re-creation by a local bishop, long forgotten (though it is interesting how little is forgotten in that part of the world).
3. We also know that the Romans and Jews would have done anything to suppress Christianity. Is it likely that they would have built up a ossuary and put any bones in there in the hopes that they could refute Jesus's claims?
Very Nicely said on point #2.
On Point #3 the argument can be augmented that the cruxifixation is an historical fact. But throw that aside, lets say that Jesus wasn't crucified. Let say that after he was brutally beaten by the Romans, he went away quietly never to claim to be the Messiah again. As the apostles started spreading the news of the resurrection why wouldn't the Jewish authorities pull Jesus out of exile and display him on the steps of the temple to prove the apostles to be liars?
I know... I should've put a little emoticon to make it more evident I was tweaking, not attacking; I can't blame you for your response. Still... I had meant to point the harm of jumping on archaeological discoveries when they fit one's own agenda; I guess I just blew it by coming across divisive, whereas I could have (and should have) been ecumenical.
>> Hanun? Who the heck is Hanun? <<
I don't know, but he makes good Chinese food.
I don't know about him but the guy who made the film has a book that just came out. More publicity for him, I guess.
Thanks.
Haven't felt it was worth the bother.
But I believe that the globalist puppet masters and ET's have a much more troublesome hoax afoot. I believe that sooner or later they will trot out what they purport to be holographic video of that era . . . engineered, of course, to diminish or call into question or shred Christ's deity.
I believe that we HAVE TO KNOW HIM and know His voice as He declared His sheep would.
A theory or theology or philosophy ABOUT Him will not do. We must KNOW HIM and have an intimate RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. . . . such that no hoax and no manipulation of "reality" or images or history or anything else--including whatever the Biblical GREAT DECEPTION is . . . that NOTHING can rock our faith in Him.
**that NOTHING can rock our faith in Him.**
Indeed.
But the point of this thread isn't to strengthen us, but to arm us to nurture the tender reeds and to fight off the wolves.
I could rationalize the Titanic series of explorations as merely being research and sensationalism oriented. With this later promotion by Cameron, I now begin to wonder if Cameron doesn't have a screw loose with a penchant for necronism.
Is there any tomb, crypt, coffin, burial ground too sancrocanct so as to dissuade his fascination with excavating the dead?
If Muslims become incensed by a cartoon, can one imagine the ramifications throughout the western world if Camerson had made a documentary purporting a similar find with a buried family having a member named Mohammed?
Yeah, but ya just can't keep a good man down, baby! He's risen.
Perhaps a slightly poor choice of words? Maybe referring to disinternment or disturbing the body of the deceased?....
But the point of this thread isn't to strengthen us, but to arm us to nurture the tender reeds and to fight off the wolves.
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Agreed. I just think we need to innoculate them against WHATEVER may be coming down the pike. The globalists are ruthless and don't care a twit about manipulating reality 12 ways to Sunday to make THE MATRIX look like child's play.
just imho, of course.
If Muslims become incensed by a cartoon, can one imagine the ramifications throughout the western world if Camerson had made a documentary purporting a similar find with a buried family having a member named Mohammed?
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What an idea . . . planting a cartoon screed purportedly by him . . . maybe about a trumped up scenario of Muhammed's love affair with a certain secretly kept dog vs all his wives . . .
Naw. Wouldn't be honest. Not that he cares anything about honesty!
1. The documentary reflects the modern prejudice to give a privilege to material remains over literary evidence. Thus, a collection of bone boxes, no matter the problems with DNA and origins, etc., are more important than the texts of the Bible.
2. Two crucial texts of the New Testament speak against the historical claims of the documentary. One is the claim--made first in the Gospel of Mark, written ca. 67--that Jesus was buried in the family tomb of Joseph of Aramathea. Keep in mind that, at the time when this Gospel was written, kin and friends of this Joseph were still alive, and could have disputed the claim at a moment's notice. The other, even more crucial, is what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15, 1-8. Paul reminds them of a tradition that he himself received from the apostles--so this tradition must go back to just a few years after the death and burial of Jesus.
3. Yet the ossuaries are there, with those names. What is the best explanation for their existence? My strong suspicion is that they are forgeries from the 3rd-4th century, when pilgrimages to Jerusalem began, and when the search for physical remains of the ministry of Jesus was keen. The ossuaries themselves probably go back to the 1st century, but the inscriptions will likely be proven to date to 3rd-4th century.
Amen.
Here's the official movie site with all the info including DNA:
www.jesusfamilytomb.com
He'd have better luck over at the cave at Machpelah, but guess what! it's empty too
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