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Crystal Amulet Poses Question On Early Christianity (Denmark - 100AD)
Denmark DK ^ | 3-9-2007

Posted on 03/09/2007 11:37:30 AM PST by blam

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To: AnAmericanMother

Normally in Norse you see the word "ars" employed or its variations. One of the older variations is "ard" and sometimes with a prefix "r".


51 posted on 03/09/2007 4:18:35 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Right. Brennu-Njáls saga or as the Icelandic of today calls it Njála.


52 posted on 03/09/2007 4:20:19 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: Siobhan

I know Harald Fairhair is in there, but isn't Harald Hardrada a lot later?


53 posted on 03/09/2007 4:21:55 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Oh, its not used with reference to Haraldr or as a proper name in the Njála -- I just cite it for reference on the use of the word.


54 posted on 03/09/2007 4:23:24 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: Siobhan

I recall that you are a speaker of Scots Gaelic. Do you get anything out of the inscription?


55 posted on 03/09/2007 4:27:17 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: Siobhan
OK! I gotcha now.

Is it Atli?

56 posted on 03/09/2007 4:28:36 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Siobhan; AnAmericanMother
"Haraldr harðráði in old Icelandic means Harald Hard-buttocks"

We say the same thing about people, as in:
"He's a real hard-ass." (Siobhan, isn't that Celtic for Johanne? Regards!)
57 posted on 03/09/2007 4:32:23 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: blam

The Christian amulet may also been booty - a pretty trinket given a women to make her smile.


58 posted on 03/09/2007 4:34:05 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Depending on the manuscript, you find it used in reference to Atli and also Gunnar -- and a very cunning play on it in one manuscript referring to Hallgerda.


59 posted on 03/09/2007 4:39:18 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
Yes. I like to say it is Johanna ;-) though most often people just say Joan.
60 posted on 03/09/2007 4:41:24 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: Siobhan
Far as I'm concerned, they were ALL a buncha bad-@$$es.

Wasn't it Gunnar who played the harp with his feet in the snake pit? And Atli who threw him in?

61 posted on 03/09/2007 4:42:53 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Without a doubt!

Yes, in Atlamol and in the Greenland Lay of Atli Gunnar meets his death while his hands are bound and he plays the harp with his feet. Atli sent him into the pit of snakes. Rough crowd!

62 posted on 03/09/2007 4:52:14 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: Ole Okie

The essence of Buddhism is, after all, every man for himself. ;')


63 posted on 03/09/2007 4:54:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Siobhan
And his second wife Guthrun eventually kills him after cooking and serving him his children, or something like that?

(it's all coming back! I took that blinking course in 1974!)

I think my prof said that Atli is supposed to be Attila the Hun?

64 posted on 03/09/2007 4:55:13 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Yes! Attila. And Guthrun is one of the Huns' shield-maidens who become the prototype for the Valkyrie.


65 posted on 03/09/2007 4:56:26 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: Siobhan

You know, sometimes I complain about living here and now . . . but BOY am I glad I wasn't around then!


66 posted on 03/09/2007 4:56:52 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Siobhan
And they all wind up in Wagner, in various disguises.

Wow.

67 posted on 03/09/2007 4:57:32 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Imagine what Wagner would do with this crystal amulet if he had known about it!


68 posted on 03/09/2007 5:01:50 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: GoLightly; Pete from Shawnee Mission

Nothing beats having a sword named "Life-Taker" to go with one of those Viking names. That, and fights with Skraelings.


69 posted on 03/09/2007 5:26:24 PM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: Siobhan
I think 4th century is a little early for Kievian Rus Christians. While looking for an alphabet that had all of the letters on the bauble, came across a site that converts names into Runes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/vikings/runes.html
70 posted on 03/09/2007 6:00:46 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Siobhan

That's cooler than the Rheingold . . .


71 posted on 03/09/2007 6:01:58 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Andrew Byler
I'm sure all of my Viking ancestors were nuttin but peaceful fun loving individuals & the nasty names they used were only meant to intimidate, hoping to prevent all of meanies around them from thinking they were gonna be easy pickins. :D
72 posted on 03/09/2007 6:14:09 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Andrew Byler

You might have a name like "Olaf the Stout!"


73 posted on 03/09/2007 6:48:17 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: wildbill
"That's funny. I can't find any reference to Rosaries or crosses as amulets either. I must be missing the same pages."

Holy cow!! You're right about that!...but could you please check your bible and see if it's missing the pages referring to statues and icons, like mine is?

Some folks is gonna be mighty upset about all this ya know.

74 posted on 03/09/2007 7:13:21 PM PST by gitmogrunt
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To: gitmogrunt
Some folks is gonna be mighty upset about all this ya know.

If you spend your life appeasing those with the tendency to be terminally upset, you validate it.

75 posted on 03/09/2007 8:02:07 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly
"If you spend your life appeasing those with the tendency to be terminally upset, you validate it.

I know this might be off the topic but,would you mind telling me how long have you been talking to my fiance or do you have ESP?

76 posted on 03/09/2007 9:42:50 PM PST by gitmogrunt
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To: GoLightly

The Vikings actually made it very far south passing through Kievan Rus to parts below where they would have encountered a mix of Greeks, Armenians, Georgians and others.


77 posted on 03/09/2007 9:47:21 PM PST by Siobhan (Telling my beads ...)
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To: blam
Ah! So they had come from the Near East, the Levant and Egypt!

What a cool site! Our daughter became fascinted with this study when it first came out, and spent HOURS on the Atlas site.

78 posted on 03/09/2007 9:50:12 PM PST by SuziQ
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"What a cool site! "

Yes it is. I'm anxiously awaiting my DNA results I submitted to them.

79 posted on 03/09/2007 9:55:13 PM PST by blam
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To: Siobhan
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80 posted on 03/09/2007 10:02:26 PM PST by blam
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To: null and void

see post 34; it is a palindrome after all


81 posted on 03/10/2007 5:50:50 PM PST by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: true_blue_texican

Thank you.


82 posted on 03/10/2007 6:21:02 PM PST by null and void ("If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong." - Charles F. Kettering)
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To: blam

Bump for Early Origins of Christian faith in Europe.


83 posted on 03/10/2007 10:10:30 PM PST by Ciexyz (Is the American voter smarter than a fifth grader?)
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http://www.imacdigest.com/2000rep/p163-168.html
Not surprisingly, due to this widespread use of charms throughout the ancient world, the early Christian church eventually inherited the use of amulets. The usual inscription on these Christian charms was, "ichthys," the Greek word for "fish". This word was chosen because it contained the initials of the Greek words for Jesus Christ, Son of God, and Savior. Christians sometimes wore a copy of St. Johns Gospel on a cross or necklace, or put a copy of the Lords Prayer in their shoes. (Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia 2000, titled "Amulet")[snip]

Amulets became so common among Christians that in the fourth century AD the clergy were forbidden to make or sell them in fear of deprivation of holy orders. In the 7th century the wearing of amulets was solemnly condemned. (Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia 2000) This condemnation did little to stop or slow the popularity of amulets. Unceasing faith in charms was to continue for many hundreds of years.


84 posted on 03/22/2007 6:04:29 AM PDT by syriacus (Truman as president: Korean War; 30,000 US deaths; full wartime censorship; military draft)
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To: syriacus

Acts 19: 11-12

God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.


85 posted on 03/22/2007 6:24:46 AM PDT by syriacus (Truman as president: Korean War; 30,000 US deaths; full wartime censorship; military draft)
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To: GoLightly

a Goth or a Christian lady captured seems very likely.


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