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To: Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg
[I know you wanted to move this topic, so I brought it here.]

But there are non-dispensationalists who believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Who are these people (please be specific) and why would they need to believe in a pre-trib rapture if they are not dispensational on the relationship between Israel and the Church?

The only reason for inventing or believing in a pre-trib rapture is to get rid of the Church (His chosen heavenly people) so that God can begin dealing once again with Israel after the flesh (His chosen earthly people).

44 posted on 04/02/2007 12:40:20 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
The only reason for inventing or believing in a pre-trib rapture is to get rid of the Church (His chosen heavenly people) so that God can begin dealing once again with Israel after the flesh

Can't talk about just one thing. And we're back to the root error, from which all else springs: dispensationalism's absolute distinction between Israel and the church.

46 posted on 04/02/2007 12:51:02 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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I am thinking people like Benny Hinn (who has more problems than his eschatology). He is for all intents and purposes a pro-Israel dominionist, but believes in the pre-trib rapture. To quote him "there won't be one saint of God raptured out of a wheel chair". He is not one you could plant in the camp of dispensationalism because of his dominionist preaching.

Why would they need to believe in a pre-trib? I have no idea. I'm not one of them. Seems inconsistent to me.

Number one "inventing" is offensive language that I would ask you to refrain from. It is a theological belief we have and you don't. Vitriol doesn't help us have what is turning out for the moment to be a civil discussion.

Second, God's dealing with Israel is one reason for the Rapture. The second is the protect the Church from His wrath. We aren't subject to His wrath because Christ took His wrath for us. Doesn't mean we won't have persecution here and now. But God see's us as pure and justified, and there is no need for us to be subjected to His wrath at all as it is poured out on the earth.


50 posted on 04/02/2007 1:25:14 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: topcat54; Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg

“Who are these people (please be specific) and why would they need to believe in a pre-trib rapture if they are not dispensational on the relationship between Israel and the Church?”

By the way, I am not a strict dispensationalist. I am more in the historical premillennialist camp, but believe in a pre trib rapture.

Why is it necessary for Jesus to come again if He is already reigning and ruling His church and the nations with His rod of iron? If the tribulation is past and Satan is bound and the kingdom has come and everything is spiritually evolving and filling with His glory, why is it necessary for the second coming?


91 posted on 04/02/2007 6:51:32 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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