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Timely Questions about Preterismand its Reconstruction Ally
from "The Standard Bearer" ^ | Prof. David Engelsma

Posted on 04/10/2007 10:07:35 AM PDT by xzins

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To: Lee N. Field; BibChr

No, that’s not accurate.

Dispensationalism does not see more than one return of Christ. There are some pre-trib rapturists who wonder if the rapture is when Christ “comes in the clouds,” and they get there by drawing a distinction between the rapture and the return. However, it is not necessary, even to pre-trib rapturists. (In any case, the rapture always precedes the return by some (no matter how short) period of time.

This discussion is not at all necessary with those dispensationalists who posit a post-trib rapture.

So, it is inaccurate to say that dispensationalism requires more than one coming of Christ.


181 posted on 04/12/2007 7:24:37 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe
Did you forget I'm still waiting for a reply to my question about Matt. 16:28. I didn't.

Have you forgotten that far before that I asked you many times to summarize your response to "ALL these things be fulfilled" and that you have utterly refused to do so?

Prior to that I asked you for a list of unfulfilled prophecies in the preterist paradigm, and you also have refused to do so.

Disengenuous is the best way to characterize your response above.

182 posted on 04/12/2007 7:32:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; TomSmedley
Prior to that I asked you for a list of unfulfilled prophecies in the preterist paradigm ...

Sorry, but all these request came along after the fact to cover things up as you sheepishly realized you have no answer to my question. You're futurist house of cards will come tumbling down (again).

The links I gave you provided the answers. I will not repeat myself in order to get you off the hook.

Your emperor is not wearing any clothes.

183 posted on 04/12/2007 8:25:09 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe

The games you play with honest discussion are simply humorous.

You are afraid to summarize what you believe.

That speaks volumes.


184 posted on 04/12/2007 8:38:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: topcat54; TomSmedley
TOPCAT54: not every instance of the word "coming" or "appearing" in the Bible is a reference to the Second ComingTM.

"Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming (ercomenon) in His kingdom." (Matt. 16:28)

What amazes me is that a slice-and-dice dispensationalist would have trouble with that concept.

I believe Matthew 24:4-34 is teaching that Jesus would "return" in judgment against apostate the nation of Israel by the agency of Rome under the leadership of Titus and his mercenaries from other nations.

I do not believe that Jesus returned or appeared or came personally, visibly as He will at His Second ComingTM at the end of the age.

Amen.

TOM SMEDLEY: People have reasons for embracing and defending their indexes, their paradigms, their interpretive frameworks. Thank God, though, we serve One who, if our hearts condemn us, is greater than our hearts, and knoweth all things. Despite our efforts to cripple ourselves, He keeps summoning us to take up our crosses and find soundness thereby.

Amen.

185 posted on 04/21/2007 1:00:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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