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One Another (Christian Caucus/Devotion) [For loving mutual edification, building up, encouragement]
BIBLE | 21 APR 2007 | God, Knitting A Conundrum, Quix

Posted on 04/21/2007 3:04:58 PM PDT by Quix

One Another Thread,
21 APR 2007

Verse for the Day
Rom. 13:8
Let no debt
remain outstanding,
except
the continuing debt
to love
one another,
for whoever
loves others
has fulfilled
the law.






ONE ANOTHER DEVOTIONAL CHRISTIAN CAUCUS:

Knitting a Conundrum: We are coming together in love, and to share the love of Christ, and therefore, even if we disagree, we need to remember to avoid things that are not said kindly and in love. Each of us holds our beliefs because we do it for the love of Christ, and even if you don’t accept the conclusion of a person, honor it by not saying harsh or hurtful things because it’s done to honor Christ.

Kind and respectful discourse. Avoid words that you know will cause a kneejerk reaction. If a person uses terminology that seems wrong to you, ask them to define it the way they use it, and accept the fact that it might be used differently than you use it. Together we can work on ways of discussing our love of Christ in a language we all understand.

Above all, treat others like fellow lovers of Jesus.

ONE ANOTHER DEVOTIONAL CHRISTIAN CAUCUS:

We construe that to mean—ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PERSONALLY NEGATIVE will be posted to another FREEPER Christian.

Generic Biblical points, MINOR, essential comments about flaws of generic groups of Christians MIGHT--with hopefully rare exception--MIGHT be allowed but are NOT to be the focus or emphasis of this thread.

We seek the awesome possibility that this thread could be an overwhelmingly positive example of:

THE WORLD
CAN TELL
WE ARE CHRISTIANS
BY OUR LOVE
FOR
. . .
ONE ANOTHER.

We call and challenge ourselves and other BELIEVERS IN CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR to respond to each ONE ANOTHER as posted for that day as though delivered from the hand or mouth of our Lord and Savior directly that day at the moment of first reading it.

By respond, we mean to prayerfully ponder it—FIRST—THEN type.

Ask The Lord where in one’s life HE would like to see that expressed more fully, earnestly, Spirit-led-ly, routinely.

Ask The Lord where in the FR Religion Forum network of RELATIONSHIPS it might be better expressed more faithfully as unto The Lord.

Share the resulting Spirit-born insights as led on the thread.

< If The Lord reminds one of where one has done well with that ONE ANOTHER to good effect in an individual’s life for The Kingdom and their relationship with God—sharing that in a humble, edifying way could be helpful.

Perhaps most redemptive would be a walking out of that ONE ANOTHER in a growthful, amplified way ON THE THREAD WITH ANOTHER FREEPER BELIEVER(S) with whom one has been less than ideally Christian in threads past.

Above all, let this thread more than any other prior— BE A VIVID EXAMPLE OF THE WORLD KNOWING WE ARE CHRISTIANS BY OUR LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER!

Accordingly:

THINGS TO AVOID

1. Anything which arises out of our flesh nature—especially with a gritch, jab, tweak attached—particularly one designed to leave the other person one down and us one up.

2. Anything designed to/out of any motivation to shove our presumed saintliness and saintly perspective down anyone else’s, everyone else’s throat.

3. Anything which would detract from, sabotage the goal of a mutually supportive; mutually loving, mutually edifying CHRISTIAN CAUCUS thread. Anything UNloving.

THINGS TO DO

1. Show ourselves and the world that we ARE CHRISTIANS by our LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER. If the flesh is weak, ASK GOD for more umph in the love department before finishing typing and hitting POST.

2. Build other posters up; edify; encourage; clarify; support; affirm; BE KIND; be gentle; . . . be CHRISTLIKE in word, tone, deed.

3. Word things as you might during your most fervent courtship--to a young gal/man you were hoping to marry—i.e. attractively, winsomely, invitingly, maturely, responsibly--LOVINGLY.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: charity; christian; christiancaucus; christians; edification; edify; jesus; love; loving; oneanother; peace; relationships
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Am still chewing on the troublesome Mexican thing . . . the VA Tech horror . . . life . . . but before I did much posting on anything else, I wanted to FINALLY get back to the ONE ANOTHER's.

It is evidently the case that a lot of us are struggling around the world . . . whether it be with life/death issues like VA Tech and Winkie Pratney [still struggling in a Korean hospital with multiple organ near failures, a potentially collapsed lung . . . ]; troublesome computers; struggling with ONE ANOTHER; struggling with the world, the flesh and the devil; struggling with globalism, globalists and traitorous politicians; . . .

Mercifully, Jesus says His yoke is easy and His burden light. I'm still in kindergarten on learning that one. But I know it's an important principle to learn t cast our cares; our burdens on Him--even the burden of ourselves--onto Him.

One dear FREEPER sister has a son who's quiet, isolated, mocked and ridiculed at school. The VA Tech thing has alarmed her. The son appears to be out of the woods a present but has been in some pretty dark spaces.

Then there's the genuinely troublesome issues brandied about; sometimes flashed and slashed about on the religion forum. Where each poster presumes to have the more or less latest from Mr Sinai according to their construcio on reality and is more or less demanding that all other religion forum members join-up in-toto.

Yet, it is spring. flowers are poking out into the polluted air declaring God is still in His Heaven.

There is so much to grieve about . . . so much to rail against . . . so much to ponder . . . so much to shake one's head at . . . so much to pray over.

There hardly seems much space to recover before the next wave of something hits.

And the waves seem to be closer and closer together.

Folks, there's really no option. Today's verse did not come with an option.

OPTIONS:
. . .
1. ignore
2. obey occasionally to a slight degree when the sun is shining, the bills are paid, the kids are healthy, the crabb grass gone.
. . .
3. obey maybe 25% of the time when only the Christians I respect are around and watching and when I have energy to bother.
4. obey maybe 50% of the time when only the Christians I respect are around and watching.
. . .
5. obey maybe 75% of the time when Christians of my congregation are around and watching.
6. obey maybe 85% of the time when Christians of any congregation are watching.
. . .
7. obey maybe 95% of the time when I'm awake and reminding myself that Holy Spirit is within and I'm bought by His priceless Blood.
8. obey as close to 100% as Holy Spirit within me can help me manage as I realize that Christ paid it all and such is my reasonable thanks and service to Him.

We are called to be instant in-season and out of season. While too often the reality is that the cosest we get to that is our 3rd cup of instantcoffee trying to rise to the occasion of facing the day in any shape, form at all.

I think the responses to VA Tech have been . . . fascinatng, if not illusrative.

The caustic hostility toward parents on the part of some has been grevious. But maybe it says more about the one flinging the hostilty than it says about the parents.

Some Christians have been able to express compassion and understanding. I pray that grows, in capacity as well as in common expression. It is the least we can do for our Lord.

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I think we often forget about tests. Especially if we are beyond formal schooling.

But this is boot camp. There are a myriad of tests daily. We are being conformed to the image of HIS SON. Sometimes with cooperation and sometimes kicking and screaming and dragging our heels.

Will we LOVE ONE ANOTHER, or not.

Loving does not always mean agreeing. Principles are important. Perspectives are important. Truth in Love is certainly important. And, it IS TRUE that sometimes a loving 2 X 4 is the most compassionate and sensitive, even spiritual thing possible.

But most of the time, loving is what most people think is loving--kind, gentle, winsome, compassionate, goes down easily, agreeable in tone and attitude . . .

We have demonstrated on the religion forum a capacity to grow in kindness toward one another. And kindness is a great step toward loving, if not a component of loving.

But the temptation is so readily at hand and fingers to treat DOCTRINAL PRIORITY; our particular MAGICSTERICAL; MY particular construction on spiritual reality as FAR, FAR MORE important than loving one another.

But DADDY will have none of it. He declares, LOVING ONE AOTHER TRUMPS THE LAW.

WILL WE
BELIEVE IT?
WILL WE
ACT LIKE IT?

1 posted on 04/21/2007 3:05:02 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Alamo-Girl; Between the Lines; DarthVader; firebrand; JockoManning; John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?; ..

PING for ONE ANOTHER PING LIST

Please let Knitting A Conundrum and Quix know if you want on or off the list.

Knitting, Please insure that Jocko Manning is on your copy.

Thx.


2 posted on 04/21/2007 3:08:14 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix

Sorry for some of the text glitches.

It appears that Knitting and I cannot exchange html formatting without modifying it or some such.

Spelling errors are my own haste and my keyboard problems. Sorry.


3 posted on 04/21/2007 3:10:14 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix
I’ve recently become a Christian and have joined a church.

Please add me to this ping list.

4 posted on 04/21/2007 3:38:48 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals are destroying this country and our spineless politicians are helping them!)
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To: proudofthesouth
Praise God! My brother/sister

Welcome to God's family. Stay in His Word and with His people...and Pray without ceasing.

In Christ,

Wiley

5 posted on 04/21/2007 3:47:21 PM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: Quix
Thank you Quix for the thread. The "tone" of this is SO refreshing!

Peter speaks of this in this week's Sunday School lesson,

1Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

The 'fervent charity' is also translated as fervent in your love, or to love deeply. Man do we need that now.

In Christ,

6 posted on 04/21/2007 3:54:08 PM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: proudofthesouth; Knitting A Conundrum

PRAISE GODD!

Would you be willing to share your conversion experience and/or what led you to The Lord?

A huge part of me hopes you keep your particular denomination quiet so you don’t get pounded on by those hostile to whatever denomination that is, hereon! Though on this thread, we could keep that at least polite.

Am so blessed to read of your joining The Kingdom.

In these trying, dramatic times, there is no other refuge but Our Lord God Almighty; Christ Jesus, His Spirit.

Will go add you to the ping list.

Knitting, please add proudofthesouth to our ONE ANOTHER PING LIST, backup copy. Thx.


7 posted on 04/21/2007 6:05:56 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: WileyPink; proudofthesouth

Amen, Wiley,

But could you operationalize it for him/her a bit?

I can imagine for many new believers, that would sound like a terrible, dysfunctional, impractical burden.


8 posted on 04/21/2007 6:07:19 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: WileyPink

Love that word fervent.

Nothing passive or wimpy about that.

I think tooooooooooo many men have been victimized by tooooo many soap-opera women and what not in the media and movies . . . .

Love itself has taken on a wimpy, feminine aura.

While, actually, the fierce Love of God—especially vis a vis The Cross—is incredibly masculine—powerfully masculine.

And, it is the protective, supportive, fierce masculine Love of spouse and family that allows those parts of the family to function in a supportive, protected atmosphere.

I keep prayerfully pondering how I might comment on the GREET ONE ANOTHER WITH A HOLY KISS. LOL. I know some translations deal with it idiomatically, culturally—changing it to a holy hug.

Anyway interesting issues. LOVE IS NOT FOR WIMPS. IT COST CHRIST HIS ALL.

Thanks for your kind post.


9 posted on 04/21/2007 6:11:46 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix; proudofthesouth
Yes, I'll try...

Stay in His Word: Read the Bible. The Bible I take with me to church and the one I use to memorize is the King James Version. But, I use 8 or 9 different translations to study. Admittedly, KJV can sometimes be a bit confusing, so, just use the others to help clear it up. e-sword is an excellent and free software Bible that helps me a lot in my study. www.e-sword.net

Stay with God's people: Hebrews 10:25 says, "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Also, you can be assured the the Holy Spirit is there...Matthew 18:20 says, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Prayer: 1 Thesolonians 5:17 pretty much says it all...Pray without ceasing.

10 posted on 04/21/2007 6:37:42 PM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: WileyPink; proudofthesouth

Prayer: 1 Thesolonians 5:17 pretty much says it all...Pray without ceasing.
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Great, Wiley, but I think you can elaborate better on the last part. What does it mean operationally? Behaviorally?

Do we walk 2 paces and bow our heads to the ground toward Jerusalem every 2 paces?

Do we go around muttering under our breath in tongues 24/7? When do we sleep, eat and work?

Do we say an endless loop of vain repetitious OUR FATHERS?

What do we DO, Wiley?

How does one pray always in balance, functional usefulness, etc. Is it a heart attitude? Is it multiplexing? How does it work? How does it REALLY WORK in the nitty gritty of REAL life?


11 posted on 04/21/2007 6:59:36 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix; Knitting A Conundrum

Great comments, whether they’re from Q. or KaC.

I’d say more, but it appears Vlad has decided it’s too early to get up, after all :-).


12 posted on 04/22/2007 2:31:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Quix
Here is what lead me to the Lord:

Starting back in November and up till late March I went through a period of serious depression. The longer it went on the deeper it became. In mid/late March it got to the point where I became really afraid for me.

I didn’t want to go back on medication (had been there once and it was okay but not a permanent solution) and didn’t want to go to a shrink cause I knew what was causing it namely financial worries and lack of self confidence. Having to pay for medication/shrink (even with insurance it would have been a financial burden on me and therefore made my depression even worse) (and having worked with MD’s in the past they are now on my permanent s**t list.)

Anyway, I started thinking about going to church even though with my beliefs I was afraid that lightning would strike it but also figured that billions of people who believe in Jesus coudn’t be wrong.

One afternoon I got down on my knees at home and asked God to take over my life for me. That what I was doing obviously wasn't working for me. I laid out all my problems to him. I told him that I wasn't sure if he existed and that if he did that he could have any affect on my life.

I phoned a one particular church and spoke to them several times but it just didn’t feel like a good fit. The following Friday I happened to read the religious section of my local newspaper (which I NEVER, EVER read in the past) and there was an article about the church that I now attend. I figured it was worth a shot and I didn’t have anything to loose. Besides its within walking distance of my home and I like the idea of being able to walk to church.

I went and have NEVER felt more at home ANYWHERE. These people are SO VERY WELCOMING. So much so that a week later I officially joined that church and have been going every week. And a few days after that I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior.

I have started praying at least once a day and read daily devotions. I have a long way to go to understand God but am working on it.

Am I still depressed? It happens occasionally but I just pray and it TRULY helps! Never before believed in the power of prayer but I do now!!

13 posted on 04/22/2007 5:20:10 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals are destroying this country and our spineless politicians are helping them!)
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To: Quix
Man, you're going to make me 'work' for this one, aren't you?

To me, "Pray without ceasing" means the same thing that "situational awareness" means to a fighter pilot in a dogfight. The pilot is always aware of his surroundings, who's there, how he can react to a situation, and how his partners can help him out of a situation.

"Pray without ceasing" tells me to always be aware that God is there. He's willing to listen and He's able to intervene when He sees it necessary.

We don't have to "do" anything special. It's like talking to your best friend...because He is.

14 posted on 04/22/2007 5:33:50 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: WileyPink
Man, you're going to make me 'work' for this one, aren't you?

BTW, I do love working for Him!

15 posted on 04/22/2007 6:11:08 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: proudofthesouth
Thank you for your testimony. This part stuck out to me as a sign of faith and surrender.

One afternoon I got down on my knees at home and asked God to take over my life for me. That what I was doing obviously wasn't working for me. I laid out all my problems to him. I told him that I wasn't sure if he existed and that if he did that he could have any affect on my life.

Then I thought of what Jesus said...

Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Your faith and surrender seems much like a 'little child'. What a great start to your eternity!

16 posted on 04/22/2007 6:21:24 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: Quix

I think you’re trying for a facetious tone here, or a pointed use of irony, but don’t you think we’d do more to build one another up if we avoided using tendentious buzzwords like “vain repetition”?

God, and only God, knows the heart. Only He can judge the value of any prayer, whether it uses many words, a few words, or no words.


17 posted on 04/22/2007 6:31:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Tax-chick
I think it was a facetious remark...and, he was right.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

But, you're right too when you say...God, and only God, knows the heart. Only He can judge the value of any prayer, whether it uses many words, a few words, or no words.

Plus, his comments made me do a little more work for the Lord...which is always a good thing.

Wiley

P.S. BTW, I had to look up the definition of facetious...lol

18 posted on 04/22/2007 6:40:06 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Please put me on this list.


19 posted on 04/22/2007 7:01:42 AM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: Salvation

will do!


20 posted on 04/22/2007 7:06:07 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: WileyPink; Quix

A visit to the dictionary is never wasted :-).

However, the phrase “vain repetition,” especially in the context used by Quix, is commonly used to denigrate some of the traditional devotions of Catholic and Orthodox Christians. While I don’t attribute any animus to Quix, I think one of the points of the “One Another” Christian Caucus is to remind all of us to think several times about the words and phrases we often use without sufficient thought.

We can see in the verse from Matthew’s Gospel that Jesus identifies the problem with the prayers of the pagans as, “they think they shall be heard for their much speaking.” If any of us thinks our prayers will be evaluated for their length (or brevity, or emotionalism, or eloquence), then we’ve lost touch with the One to whom we’re praying.

Our prayers will be heard (favorably) if we love God ... and we love God, as the verse today reminds us, if we love our neighbor. Is it “vain repetition” if your spouse or child says, “I love you!” many times? Surely not, unless they do nothing but say it, while not acting in loving ways.


21 posted on 04/22/2007 7:07:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Tax-chick

I will receive your exhortation prayerfully, Dear Sister.

I was not throwing rocks at others any more than myself. I think it’s a hazard to all of us. Whether it’s The Lord’s Prayer or another prayer of our own construction that we’ve found to be powerfully worded, we are prone to repeating such as some sort of magical mantra—which it’s not—cannot be.

Prayer is to be dialogue, conversation with God. When it is vainly repeated as a vending machine sort of thing, it is less than prayer and less than maximally effective, imho.
I’ll go back and read that post. But my memory of writing it is that I was convicted of such when I wrote it. So I wrote it that way. I suppose I could have written it as merely my problem.

I had no desire to tweak or offend others. Sorry.


22 posted on 04/22/2007 7:09:20 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix

Hearty handshake all around! And I agree, we can easily fall into “many words,” and not enough love, in our relationship with the Lord as well as with other people.

(Nudge in the ribs to me, too :-).


23 posted on 04/22/2007 7:10:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks THanks.


24 posted on 04/22/2007 7:11:07 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: proudofthesouth

FANTASTICALLY WONDERFUL.

CONGRATULATIONS!

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25 posted on 04/22/2007 7:16:06 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: proudofthesouth

BTW, Have been to such points in my life at least several times.

May The God of All Comfort be with you tangibly in all the ways you most need.


26 posted on 04/22/2007 7:17:05 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: WileyPink

I hope that’s more helpful. Thanks.


27 posted on 04/22/2007 7:17:30 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: WileyPink

True. True.


28 posted on 04/22/2007 7:17:58 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Salvation

Thanks.

WILCO


29 posted on 04/22/2007 7:18:19 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix; Tax-chick

If we use it as a magical formula, then it falls into the vain repetition category.

Now here’s a historical example:

in the pagan Roman tradition, the prayers WERE considered magical. If you made one mistake in the wording or action, you had to start the ritual from beginning until you got it right.

Today, there are people who think the magic is in the phrasing. This Jesus was teaching wasn’t the case. But Jewish people did use set prayers. Jesus would have grown up saying them himself. And even people who don’t officially use pre-written prayers often pray pretty much the same prayer over and over again, especially in public prayer.

The vain repetition comes in when it’s no longer the vehicle for communication with God, but becomes a creature itself, where you think if I say X, Y will happen.

A good example of the difference can be found in our favorite hymns. Or the Psalms. We sing them over and over, and they mean something, and we lift up our hearts to heaven with them. They are prayers, too, supplications, praise, longing for God. We use them over and over again, but we don’t think they are magic. But they still become the vehicle for our communication with God.

God is not Santa Claus, and we can’t get God to do what we want by our fomulas, but for me, the 23rd psalm will always be a declaration of my trust in God. And the most common prayer on my lips any more is Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, have mercy on us.

IMHO


30 posted on 04/22/2007 7:21:51 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Quix
Bless your heart, I think I took the comment as you intended. I took it also as an opportunity for me to 'get deeper' into my witnessing. Again, always a good thing.

Anytime I can talk about Jesus...that's a good thing.

Now, Praise God Again for our new family member!

31 posted on 04/22/2007 7:24:07 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Excellent. What I meant to say, only better!


32 posted on 04/22/2007 7:37:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Quix; All
I really need to put this before you and before God. It has been on my heart since the 'phone message' incident happened and was on every TV and radio since.

I understand that this post is mostly for us. But, aren't we to show love to those in our society who are not Christians? Alec Baldwin for example. PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND, his phone message to his daughter was wrong and must be addressed. And, there is nothing, NOTHING, that I agree with him politically on,But I have heard nothing but scorn and berating of him publicly. I even heard Sean Hannity say that he "hates" Alec Baldwin.

I just think that this could be an opportunity for us to witness and share the loving Gospel of Jesus Christ with him and not "cast the first stone" at him.

Your opinion please?

33 posted on 04/22/2007 7:58:42 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: WileyPink

We are supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner, the same way Jesus did.

It does get tricky saying things in good ways. We hate what the jihadis do, and what they plan to do for us. We hate their actions, their hatred of us. But if we burn with hot hate at them personally, and not their actions, we can lose sight of the fact that God loves all his children.

Luke chapter six is my guide on this. If we only love those who love us, how does that make us different than sinners? Jesus asks.

27: “But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28: bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.
29: To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt.
30: Give to every one who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again.
31: And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.
32: “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
33: And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
34: And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35: But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the selfish.
36: Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
37: “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
38: give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the measure you get back.”
Luke 6:27-38

But Lord, it can be a difficult road to walk, and I haven’t figured out all the nuances, except Jesus seems to encourage us to err on the side of generosity than the other.

Nor do I believe it’s a schmaltzy feel-good love he’s talking about. Or that we have the obligation to let the people who hate us kill us just because they want to. But it does require seeing each person as a child of God and acting accordingly.

I’m still working on this one.


34 posted on 04/22/2007 8:07:09 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
But Lord, it can be a difficult road to walk, and I haven’t figured out all the nuances,...

A very difficult road to walk. You're right also about the "feel-good" love. I think that's one of the worst traps that we can fall into. I guess I'm just looking at this as an opportunity for witnessing and not for 'shameing'.

35 posted on 04/22/2007 8:14:25 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: WileyPink

Everything we do is an opportunity to witness, to some degree or another. In my little rose garden I’ve been working so hard at, there is a cross and a statute of the Archangel Michael (not one of the cutesy, looks like a victorian lady angels.)

This is my quiet witness to all the passers by (and there are a lot - it’s on the path from the elementary school) that someone here is a believer.

Showing your faith as a matter of fact, normal integral part of your life that motivates how you act in care, and faith and love is often a good constant witness.

It’s amazing how many little ways we can witness. Some of it is witnessing that God matters. Some of it is witnessing how much God is a part of our lives. Some of it is reaching out with prayer and kindness. With God seen as a negative, sometimes just letting God be seen in a positive is the first step. These things often open the door to a way to share more deeply.


36 posted on 04/22/2007 8:24:11 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Showing your faith as a matter of fact, normal integral part of your life that motivates how you act in care, and faith and love is often a good constant witness.

This is exactly my point...you are so right.

37 posted on 04/22/2007 8:27:14 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: WileyPink; Knitting A Conundrum; Quix
We are supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner, the same way Jesus did.

Unquestionably true. However, WileyPink's example points out to me how we can be just as likely to hate the sinner, instead of the sin! For a person we like, we'll excuse actions that we roundly condemn in a person we don't like.

I'd be hard put to find anything positive to say about Alec Baldwin, except that I thought he was pretty good in "The Hunt for Red October," (in which the world's three most attractive actors also starred). But I don't think any of us believes that conservatives are never verbally abusive to their children.

In summary, if "we" (anybody) "hate" Alec Baldwin, it's probably not because of this particular incident, but because we've identified him as "not us," and therefore available to hate.

(Did that make any sense at all?)

38 posted on 04/22/2007 8:36:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Tax-chick
In summary, if "we" (anybody) "hate" Alec Baldwin, it's probably not because of this particular incident, but because we've identified him as "not us," and therefore available to hate.

(Did that make any sense at all?)

I sure am glad I have y'all. You say what I mean so much better than I ever could.

Thank you

39 posted on 04/22/2007 8:42:09 AM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes.

And that’s one of the traps we have to avoid.

Jesus said basically, there is no such a think as “not us.”

That’s the part that’s hard!


40 posted on 04/22/2007 8:43:00 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Quix
But DADDY will have none of it. He declares, LOVING ONE AOTHER TRUMPS THE LAW.

I prefer the event from the lips of Yah'shua remembered by Peter through the pen of Mark

Mark 12:29 Jesus( Yah'shua ) answered, "The foremost is,
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

Mark 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART,
AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'
[Deut. 6:4,5]

Mark 12:31 "The second is this, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'[Lev. 19:18]
There is no other commandment greater than these."

Mark 12:32 The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated
that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;

Mark 12:33 AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH
ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH,
AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF,
is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Mark 12:34 When Jesus (Yah'shua) saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him,
"You are not far from the kingdom of God."

b'shem Yah'shua
41 posted on 04/22/2007 10:58:39 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; WileyPink

You’re welcome!

It is hard to see others as God sees them. I like to tell my Sunday School classes that the message of the parable of the Good Samaritan, the answer to the question, “Who is my neighbor?” is: Your neighbor is the person that you *least* want him to be, the one you really, really wish you weren’t expected to love and treat with compassion.


42 posted on 04/22/2007 1:45:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah, you already dislike him and what he did just confirms your opinion. I actually felt sorry for him in this instace because I think Kim is probably practicing parental alienation and he’s probably frustrated as H$ll.


43 posted on 04/22/2007 3:28:10 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

I don’t see any reason to believe that either one of them is a prize as a spouse or parent. I mean, they named their daughter “Ireland”! It’s really sad; they’re all probably miserable, and likely to stay that way.


44 posted on 04/22/2007 3:53:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Tax-chick

I receive your correction dear sister and will redouble my efforts to be more careful with such word choices—particularly on such threads as these.


45 posted on 04/22/2007 4:17:03 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix

You are kind! On further reflection, I might have been too sensitive :-).


46 posted on 04/22/2007 4:17:55 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

The vain repetition comes in when it’s no longer the vehicle for communication with God, but becomes a creature itself, where you think if I say X, Y will happen.
= = =

Extremely well put. Thanks much.


47 posted on 04/22/2007 4:19:38 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: WileyPink

Thanks thanks for your great spirit, attitude and edifying posts and exhortations.

LUB,


48 posted on 04/22/2007 4:20:19 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: WileyPink

I agree.

And, the National Christian leaders whom I’ve known tend to go to such famous people in such times—do show love first but also speak truth in love to them.

Usually, though, it takes some building of a relationship at least briefly to earn a hearing by such folks—unless there’s some uncommon humility to begin with.


49 posted on 04/22/2007 4:21:56 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Nor do I believe it’s a schmaltzy feel-good love he’s talking about. Or that we have the obligation to let the people who hate us kill us just because they want to. But it does require seeing each person as a child of God and acting accordingly.

I’m still working on this one.
= = = =

Well put. Thx.


50 posted on 04/22/2007 4:23:10 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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