Not so, as usual with such blanket philosophical statements.
They refuse to see the uniqueness of man and what individual man can choose. I do believe Paul mentions this in Romans.
a curious bump for later reading.
Because of our depraved nature, we can’t even choose God unless He graciously allows us to. And He desires that we would all choose Him because of Who He is, not what He can do for us.
Eternal communion with God is the reward I’m looking for. Everyone who goes to Hell will chose it freely. Why would anyone choose Hell? That is a mystery.
It is grace of man that turns man to God. Selfishness turns man to evil, and thus away from God.
It is Love that man worships when he worships God. There is no selfishness in Love only forgiveness.
Evil is a choice. Love is inherent.
Interesting site and a great exposition of the various dead ends which result from separation theology. Thanks.
I believe that the idea of heaven and hell are really irrelevant to the idea of good and evil-the concept of an eternal reward/punishment makes right no more virtuous and and evil no less reprehensible. I’m a Catholic, and I do my best to live up to the standards of my Savior, as that is the domain of man, but I’m going to let God decide what happens I die, as that is His domain.
Romans 3:10-12 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no not one.
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Commentary: Well, God created us with a brain and feelings that logically SHOULD seek to escape eternal punishment for our sins in the way that He provides; but what most of us really are crying out for is to really know God through the Holy Spirit in the inner man, and He is also crying out to each one of us to just ask Him in. All the religious arguments fall by the wayside with the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Would you please post this under the “Religion” category? It’s also a vanity post. Thank you!
Starting with breakfast.Green eggs and ham.
Interesting topic. Will ping the list later.
But after approaching God with ulterior selfish motives, a person ideally will become less selfish and ultimately develop a loving relationship entirely free of any taint of self interest. This is the goal, and it is possible. Not only possible, it is the only real happiness of the soul (the real self).
Speak for yourself.
I figure God knows something I don’t. So, in my life, I try to get as near to Right as I can by my God.
“Projection” look it up in Psy. handbook.
While everyone is flawed with sin, and interested in self-promotion, I do believe that there are actually many very good Christians who love God and particularly the second person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ, so much that their good works and holy life style is purely for the love of Him. Also, there is in the heart of a true believer the personal relationship with Jesus, which is not to hurt or cause pain to a beloved one. So, in that respect, I think the above writing has flaws.
What motivation could a rational being have other than to receive a reward or to avoid punishment?
Some might say that we should choose God only to please him, without expectation of reward. However, it would make no sense to please God if the result were eternal punishment.
Of course, a just and righteous God would not punish those who choose to please him. And in fact, the Bible is replete with promises of reward to the faithful (Hebrews 11:6; Matthew 5:12; Revelation 22:12; etc.). Jesus promises that those who give up worldly things for him will receive much more in return, including everlasting life:
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my names sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. (Matt. 19:29)All things are promised to those who overcome the world:
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (Rev. 21:7)I believe that these promises are included in the scriptures because God wants us to seek his rewards. Indeed, Jesus commands us to do so:
19 ¶ Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. (Matthew 6:1921)
Agree with what you have written 100%.