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Posted on 04/23/2007 8:09:19 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
Swing back towards a discussion of Traditionalism and for honest debate? This is the official Jesuit magazine and one which has the backing of the Vatican.
“This is the nucleus of Amerio’s thought: the primacy of truth over love. Subverting this order, and thus producing a “metaphysical dislocation of essences,” for Amerio is inevitably translated into an attack against Christ, the Word of God, the Logos. It is for this reason that he wrote “Iota Unum,” and, presenting it to Augusto Del Noce, defined it as an attempt to “defend essences against the waywardness and syncretism of the spirit of the age” (p. 231). And to Del Noce, who was fascinated by his argument, it seemed that “the ultimate philosophical problem for the ‘Catholic restoration’ that the world needs is that of the order of essences” (p. 233).
In love with the truth and with the Church, preoccupied with the secularization of Christianity, with its reduction to morality and works at the expense of the primacy of Christocentrism, Amerio criticizes “fundamentalist ecumenism,” the dissolution of the Christian identity in religious relativism, the renunciation of the Truth in favor of respect for other-truths, the reduction of the one true religion to one of the various possible religions.
It is decisive to pose the absolute centrality of the Word: “The absolute value attributed to the divine reality of the Word (Logos), as well as of the facts that religion derives from it, [...] shelter man from the disorientation of relativism” (p. 19).”
Many thanks, Frank. As I said somewhere else, funny thing that I just happened to buy a copy of “Iota Unum” over the weekend, then this comes out.
Interesting. I tried to get a copy of this book years ago and couldn’t. I did read some lengthy excerpts from it somewhere on the web, and it seemed very thought provoking. It will be intriguing to see where this leads.
A hint on where things are heading from Whispers in the Loggia today. The Feast of St. Pius is the 30th in the new liturgical calendar and the 5th of May in the old calendar... Alia jacta est?
The Pope spent the weekend in Northern Italy, where today he paid homage to the remains of the saint he’s called his “favorite”: St Augustine, whose bones are enshrined at St Peter’s... in Pavia.
Before praying at the resting place of the 5th century bishop and doctor of the church — whose concept of the people of God was the topic of Joseph Ratzinger’s doctoral dissertation — B16 celebrated an outdoor liturgy at a local college, where he spoke of the three “decisive points” in Augstine’s conversion, a topic the pontiff often alludes to in his extemporaneous public engagements when speaking of the church’s contemporary challenges and opportunities.
But even more intriguingly, as “motumania” grips the (traditionalist) universe — and National Catholic Reporter correspondent/blogger John Allen — a related “backstory” of Benedict’s two-day jaunt somehow got lost in the shuffle.
Until now, that is.
Writing from Rome, my Tablet colleague Robert Mickens notes that, once upon a time, a young cleric went through the same Pavia, where he taught for sixteen years. He ended up in Rome, becoming Grand Inquisitor of the Holy Office, and was then elected to the Chair of Peter.
If you’re thinking Papa Ratzi, think again...
The priest-prof’s name was Antonio Ghislieri. But he’s better known as St Pius V. As in “Pian Rite.” As in “Tridentine Mass.” As in (not for nothing) his feast day being but a week away — or a fortnight, for those a bit behind....
Behind the celebrant, that is.
FRiends,
Is there a “traditionalist” Catholic Ping list and, if so, who moderates it? I am asking about a list for things like the Tridentine Mass, Una Voce, Liturgical music threads (New Liturgical Movement blog), Gregorian Chant, “classic” theology (19th century), etc.
Frank
There isn’t one that I know of.
I’m not aware of one either.
bump for later.
I will start a Tridentine List if there is a desire.
Please freepmail me if you want ON. ELS has already asked to be on it. I presume you both wish to be on the list as well?
In posting a thread, please add “Tridentine” as a keyword and post that in the PING to me to activate the entire list.
If anyone else is doing the same, I’ll turn over the FReepers to the Listkeeper. No sense in doing a duplicate!
Frank
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I see you’re having fun with words today, Frank!
I’m always having fun, Mrs. Tax!
;-o)
Well, that’s certainly interesting (the Pius V connection)!
A bit of trivia: I live in St. Augustine, FL, and our 450th anniversary is coming up in 2015, so the city fathers are planning on inviting the Pope. I’d be really surprised if he came (aside from the fact that he’ll be 88 - but so’s my mother, and she travels all the time), but it’s a nice gesture, anyway.
Our Cathedral also has a mural showing Pope St. Pius V, who was very enthusiastic about missionary activities in the New World, entrusting a letter to the representative of Menéndez de Áviles, the representative of the Spanish Crown who founded St. Augustine, regarding our town. Pius V was so important to St. Augustine (the town) that there used to be a large statue of him in the Cathedral prior to the 1965 renovation. After that, it was moved out to the chapel at the cemetary. So there’s all sorts of connections here!
I’d like to be on your Tridentine list. Thanks!
Frank, put me on your Tridentine list as well.
As for lists off FR, there is, of course, the old CTN-GREG list at Yahoo.com, where Professor Luc Perrin sometimes posts, but the discussions there seem to slide into triviality frequently. Rich Freeman’s old CTAC list is also now at Yahoo, and worth a look. And then of course there is Angelqueen.org, where a lot of the old FR crowd seem to have gone to live. I check in over there from time to time, too. It is the most high octane of the three other lists, if you will. Lots of gossip and a fair amount of angst, but also lost of information (of seemingly good quality). It is the most active list of the kind at the moment, in the US.
lots of information.
I have you on the FR Tridentine list, Theophane. I get emails from people around the country so that helps to point me to interesting stories that are breaking.
F
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