Posted on 05/09/2007 10:10:07 AM PDT by stfassisi
Do you mean "Consistent in some things?
The Baptists aren’t Protestant?
1605- Baptists: John Smith
ANABAPTISTS, (after Zwingli), 1519.
- Brethren in Christ, German Switzerland.
- Hutterine Brethren.
- Mennonites, to Pennsylvania, in 1653.
- German Baptists, Dunkards, to USA, 1723.
- German Moravians, who became the “United Brethren Church”, in 1735.
- Separatists and Congregationalists, in England and Holland, came to America as the Pilgrim fathers on the “Mayflower” (repudiated the title of Anabaptists, as they did the “Baptists”).
- The Amish, to Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa.
- The Baptists in USA (repudiated the title).
The Jehovah’s Witnesses was begun by Charles Taze Russell in 1872. This was an offshoot of the American Restoration Movement started by the Campbells (pere et fils) and Stone. The Churches of Christ, the Disciples of Christ and a few others directly came out of it. Other religions started during this time period include:
Mormons, USA, 1829.
Christian Science, USA, 1879.
7th Day Adventist
Assemblies of God
Church of God (all types), Church of God in Christ
Evangelical United Brethren
Pentecostal (all types)
Salvation Army
It has become quite a fad, to think up a new name, come up with a new catchy take on the 2000 year old Word of God, amass a congregation, and maybe even get yourself on television.
All these have resulted from the Protestant Reformation. They may not call themselves Protestants, but their roots and their theological justifications come from it.
Not Protestants. Ask one and see.
All these have resulted from the Protestant Reformation. They may not call themselves Protestants, but their roots and their theological justifications come from it.
And so, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the sad state of Catholic Apologetics as they stand today. "What isn't Catholic or Orthodox, we define as Protestant - and all Protestants look alike".
You mean you think Catholics can't identify the differences between different denominations? Talk about an over-simplification.
“He breathed upon them and said, ‘Receive ye the Holy Ghost . Whose sins ye shall forgive they are forgiven them; and whose sins ye shall retain, they are retained’” ( John 20:22-23 )
Are you sure that you want to emulate Zwingli and Luther and further abridge Sacred Scripture because you don’t happen to agree with this particular passage?
The Apostles didn’t have any inherent ability to forgive, and therefore couldn’t simply pronounce forgiveness of sins on the basis of their own authority. The Apostles were to function as Christ’s emissaries, his envoys, having been invested with the risen Lord’s authority to perform miracles, signs and wonders.
The reason Christ breathed on the Apostles was to give them spiritual life, new birth, and to prepare them to receive the gift of the Spirit who would enable them to perform their mission. This mission included the proclamation of the forgiveness of sins which results in eternal life for all who would believe in the name of God’s Son, just as the very conclusion of John 20 emphatically states:
"Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, ‘We have seen the Lord.’ But he said to them, ‘Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe.’ Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, ‘Peace be with you.’ Then he said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.’ Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.’ Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name." John 20:24-31
In other words, the disciples were to forgive sins by preaching the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, telling all who accepted the message that God had forgiven them of their iniquities. The text in John 20 isn’t implying that the disciples had the authority to forgive sins like Christ did. Rather, John’s point is that Christ gave them his own authority to act in his name and proclaim the message of eternal life.
Fallen men, no matter what their vocation in life, are not authorized by Christ to forgive sins, nor are they qualified to forgive the sins of other fallen human beings.
See post 27.
So Our Lord didn’t mean what He said? Thanks for the explanation.
Umm, I’ll try to put this in an understandable fashion.
The Anabaptist movement of Zwingli (Protestant Reformation)split into several denominations including Baptist (Smith) in Amsterdam in 1605 (Protestant Reformation). The American Baptists are the American branch. They may not call themselves Protestants, but they are the modern incarnation of that Protestant church.
You may decide to call your cat a dog, but it doesn’t make it so.
Umm, I’ll try to put this in an understandable fashion.
The Anabaptist movement of Zwingli (Protestant Reformation)split into several denominations including Baptist (Smith) in Amsterdam in 1605 (Protestant Reformation). The American Baptists are the American branch. They may not call themselves Protestants, but they are the modern incarnation of that Protestant church.
You may decide to call your cat a dog, but it doesn’t make it so.
In the meantime, I'll keep asking Jesus for forgiveness for my sin, not a fallen human being, and if I'm wrong I'm sure He will let me know.
Thus far in my walk with Christ, I have nothing but a sense of peace and well-being knowing that I have asked for forgiveness from the One Whom I have offended and have been forgiven. I don't have to go through an intermediary who is in the same boat as I am for forgiveness for offenses I have committed not against the man, but against Christ.
Does the Catholic Church still sell indulgences?
“You have 2000 years of consistency verses 500 years of inconsistencies.”
That’s 1600 years for the Roman Catholic Church.
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Is that the latest historical revisionism?
They gave their lives for them.
Who are your Church fathers, Dear Brother?Luther and Calvin?
This is what Calvin and Luther has produced,and it is horrific and sad! http://jcrao.freeshell.org/BarrenHarvest
“They gave their lives for them.”
If that’s what they gave their lives for then they of all people are now most miserable. I believe they gave their lives for Christ.
My church fathers are the inspired writers of the scriptures who have “written, that ye (I) might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye (I) might have life through his name.” All else and every one else is just commentary.
Amen.
He's my patron saint, and my screen name on another Christian forum (I am a minority there!). I am convinced he is praying for me.
Regards
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