To: Mad Dawg
Isn't the MAIN deal that the relationship within the Trinity is Love?
The way I understand Anselms puzzle is how did the Father/Son relate in returning us to a holy relationship with the Father. Anselm states above:Is it as though there were this conversation: Father: I want to save the WORLD. Son: Well, I want what you want, whatever it is.
God did not, therefore, compel Christ to die; but he suffered death of his own will, not yielding up his life as an act of obedience, but on account of his obedience in maintaining holiness; for he held out so firmly in this obedience that he met death on account of it. My point is that since God the Father and God the Son are one in the same, than wouldnt they have the same will? If the will of the Son was to die upon the cross, wouldnt that be the exact will of the Father? Likewise, if the will of the Father was for His Son to die upon the cross, wouldnt that be the exact will of the Son?
I can understand Anselms viewing Christs sacrifice as an act of obedience. I think this is correct from Christs humanity side. However, Christs divinity side was the will of the Father, both who felt the Son must be sacrificed. I believe Anselm may have been looking at the humanity of Christ while not giving due consideration to His deity. Anselms statement that God the Father didnt compel the Son to die raises the question of whether God the Father needs to compel anyone to do His will.
This is a very fine point but Anselms argument seems to hinge on this concept.
In either examples, the Son doesnt seem to understand what the will of the Father is unless God explains it. This, I think, is similar to the thoughts of Anselm; thinking that the Son would want what the Father wants but not knowing the Fathers will until told. It is as though they got together, pooled they're thoughts and came up with a solution.
I would say that Christ not only knew the Fathers will but it was His will as well. The wills are the same. This is what makes God ONE, while being three. God loves the Son because they are the same holiness, same thought, same will. Just don't ask me much more about the Trinity or I will go crazy.
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. John 10:17 BTW- I agree with Elizabeth Seton although I probably would have reorganized the list.
posted on 05/16/2007 9:07:07 AM PDT
I would say that Christ not only knew the Fathers will but it was His will as well. The wills are the same.
According to the one divine will, only the Son became man, so only the Son has a human will. Anselm seems to be exploring Christ's obedient submission of his human will to the one divine will.
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