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The Reality of Romanism
The Riddleblog ^ | May 10, 2007 | Kim Riddlebarger

Posted on 05/17/2007 10:08:04 AM PDT by Gamecock

Reading Francis Beckwith's interview with David Neff in Christianity Today, reminded me of how idyllic the Roman church can seem in the minds of those who embrace it (Click here: Q&A: Francis Beckwith | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction).

But then this news report appeared today which gives a much different picture of the supposed glories of Romanism (Click here: Pope to canonize first Brazilian saint - Yahoo! News).

All discussion of justification, the authority of Scripture, and reciting the Creed aside, the Pope is heading to Brazil to canonize Antonio de Sant'Anna Galvao, a Franciscan monk who is credited with 5000 miraculous healings. Over 1 million people are expected to be in attendance. The healings supposedly come as a result of swallowing rice paper pills prepared by the monk over two hundred years ago. According to the AP news report . . .

"The Vatican has officially certified the medical cases of two Brazilian women as divinely inspired miracles that justify the sainthood of Galvao. Both of these women spoke of their faith with The Associated Press, claiming that their children would not be alive today were it not for the tiny rice-paper pills that Friar Galvao handed out two centuries ago.

Although the friar died in 1822, the tradition is carried on by Brazilian nuns who toil in the Sao Paulo monastery where Galvao is buried, preparing thousands of the Tic Tac-sized pills distributed free each day to people seeking cures for all manner of ailments. Each one is inscribed with a prayer in Latin: `After birth, the Virgin remained intact. Mother of God, intercede on our behalf.'

Sandra Grossi de Almeida, 37, is one such believer. She had a uterine malformation that should have made it impossible for her to carry a child for more than four months. But in 1999, after taking the pills, she gave birth to Enzo, now 7. `I have faith," Grossi said, pointing to her son. I believe in God, and the proof is right here.'

Nearly 10 years before that, Daniela Cristina da Silva, then 4 years old, entered a coma and suffered a heart attack after liver and kidney complications from hepatitis A. `The doctors told me to pray because only a miracle could save her,' Daniela's mother Jacyra said recently. `My sister sneaked into the intensive care unit and forced my daughter to swallow Friar Galvao's pills.'"

So, if you "return home" to Rome, you get the whole ball of wax, including the beatification of saints who give out Tic-Tac size rice-paper pills which supposedly heal. And Pope Benedict XVI will be there to bless it all.

By the way, confessional Protestants affirm the historical evangelical doctrine of justification by grace alone, through faith alone, on account of Christ alone, and the full authority of Scripture. And yes, we even recite the Creed every Lord's Day and we use a biblical-text based liturgy which is quite similar to that described by Justin Martyr in the second century.

Too bad Dr. Beckwith didn't consider a confessional Protestant church before embracing Romanism. Now he's stuck with Antonio de Sant'Anna Galvao and his rice-paper healing pills.


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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Can you sing that? Perhaps with some guitar accompaniment?”

Did you see the thing about the miracle? I took it as a sign that the guitar is between the Lord and me and I’m to keep hiding it under a bushel, whatever that is.


151 posted on 05/17/2007 2:29:09 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Risky-Riskerdo; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD
unless you liked listening to a bunch of smart alex poli sci students drinking beer and cracking jokes.

So that's where the Friday Neeners Caucus got it from.

152 posted on 05/17/2007 2:29:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan; AlbionGirl
Pubs close?

(I don't know where these lines are coming from. My apron needs starching - if I had an apron.)

153 posted on 05/17/2007 2:36:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: George W. Bush
One would think some of you would finally tire of this medieval totalitarian religion despite its pretty rituals and arts.

You'll wrest it out of our cold dead fingers...because it is no "totalitarian religion" but the very Church of Christ Jesus, the spotless Bride, the very Body of Christ....which only feels totalitarian to those who cannot abide it. "He who hears you, hears me".

I say again...Irenaeus is clear that Rome is the *benchmark* for orthodoxy, not a useful and temporaray ally in the struggle. It is a matter of *necessity* that all churches everywhere agree with this church.

154 posted on 05/17/2007 2:36:55 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Risky-Riskerdo; xzins; P-Marlowe; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD

“So that’s where the Friday Neeners Caucus got it from.”

This is as good a thread as any to high jack and I’m going to be traveling tomorrow so here is my contribution to the Friday Caucus:

Just because someone doesn’t love you the way you want them to, doesn’t mean they don’t love you with all they have.

Jim and Edna were both patients in a mental hospital. One day while they were walking past the hospital swimming pool, Jim suddenly jumped into the deep end. He sank to the bottom of the pool and stayed there. Edna promptly jumped in to save him. She swam to the bottom and pulled Jim out.

When the Head Nurse Director became aware of Edna’s heroic act she immediately ordered her to be discharged from the hospital, as she now considered her to be mentally stable.

When she went to tell Edna the news she said, “Edna, I have good news and bad news. The good news is you’re being discharged, since you were able to rationally respond to a crisis by jumping in and saving the life of the person you love, I have concluded that your act displays sound mindedness. The bad news is, Jim, hung himself in the bathroom with his bathrobe belt right after you saved him. I am so sorry, but he’s dead.”

Edna replied, “He didn’t hang himself, I put him up there to dry.... How soon can I go home?”


155 posted on 05/17/2007 2:40:10 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Claud; George W. Bush

That’s even sillier. If he doesn’t exist, why is he on any calendar other than ones like “The Simpsons” or “The Muppets?”


156 posted on 05/17/2007 2:40:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Risky-Riskerdo; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; Gamecock; HarleyD
Not that if would have done any good, unless you liked listening to a bunch of smart alex poli sci students drinking beer and cracking jokes. hehehe

That's a lie! I was never a poli sci student, I don't drink beer, and I swear that I was nowhere near the Cuban Embassy in Stockholm that whole time!

157 posted on 05/17/2007 2:40:56 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (FR Member Alex Murphy: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: blue-duncan
I’m to keep hiding it under a bushel, whatever that is.

I don't know either, but I'm told it goes with a "peck", whatever that is.

158 posted on 05/17/2007 2:42:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (FR Member Alex Murphy: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan
Pubs close?

I'm not sayin' nothin' 'bout drinkin' and the Irish or the Scottish here at all...

Did you know that when digging the Erie canal and following a day's work (12 to 14 hours), the Irish used to arrange boxing matches with each other?

Is that a different breed, or what? Irish men...

Then, of course, we have the Italian Cardinals who when transporting the coffin of Alexander VI, got into some little tiff (that's hard to believe, isn't it?), dropped the casket and started sword fighting.

159 posted on 05/17/2007 2:50:58 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; George W. Bush; Claud
Rome finally acknowledged there was and is no Saint Christopher. He was nothing but a legend.

Claud is correct. Rome has "acknowledged" nothing of the sort.

And the Orthodox revere St. Christopher, as well.

160 posted on 05/17/2007 2:52:54 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

No one said he doesn’t exist...the details of his life as they’ve come down to us are perhaps legendary and probably very confused. But devotion to him is very old (back to the 500s), and he almost certainly was a real martyr of the third century.

We’re not sure if Christ was born on the 25th of December. Yet still we keep the feast. A saint’s feast day is a commemoration, and as such, it can be moved around, suppressed, restored, or rendered greater or lesser importance as popular piety dictates.


161 posted on 05/17/2007 2:52:56 PM PDT by Claud
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To: HarleyD
Part of my post:
“For there is nothing but the same hatred in your hearts as that of a Jihadist.”

Your response:
“That’s the buzz word these days. Talk about how homosexuality is wrong and you hate homosexuals. Talk about how illegal immigrants are wrong for coming into the country illegally and you hate them. Talk about people who shouldn’t have abortions and you hate them. Everyone who don’t agree with your moral and theological views are hateful. I was just talking about this on another post.

It’s very nice for sound bites.”

Uhm...no. Nice try though. If you post a thread simply to attack the Catholic Church and for no other reason, then call your buddies to join in, my observation is accurate. This was a hit piece pure and simple and the hatred is the same. Your attempt to equate this smear with the opposition to homosexuality, immigration, abortion etc. isn’t just weak, it is disingenuous.

I will say a prayer for you and the others that you stop disobeying Christ and come home.

162 posted on 05/17/2007 2:54:04 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Gamecock
This sort of argument always gets me.

If you can believe that God Himself incarnated as a man on Earth, born of a virgin, made the lame walk and the blind see, turned water into wine, died and rose from the dead, and ascended bodily into Heaven, that through His apostles He cast out demons and raised the dead, through Moses parted the Red Sea, had people look upon the brass statue of a serpent to heal snakebites, destroyed a city at the blow of trumpets, turned water into blood, made Aaron's rod blossom, etc. etc. etc.....then why is it so impossible to concieve that He might also work a miracle through slips of paper with prayers written by pious believer?

Give us a break. The fact that the writer find "paper pills" so impossibly ridiculous that it alone is supposed to prove the falsehood of the [choose one: Catholic/Roman Catholic/Roman/Romanist/One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic/Holy Mother/Evil, Idolatrous, Mary-Worshipping, Bead-Counting, Halibut-Munching] Church and not all the above listed Biblical miracles only reveals her modernistic cultural biases. At least atheists just go ahead and believe the whole thing is ridiculous, primitive superstition.
163 posted on 05/17/2007 2:57:05 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: Campion
And the Orthodox revere St. Christopher, as well.

They don't care about the Orthodox; Roman Catholics are the only ones they worry about. Ever seen any Protestant threads about the falseness and idolatry of Judaism or Hinduism? How come when one poster on this thread, who was criticizing the Catholic Church, said that they weren't even Christian, they heard no response other than a wink, nod, and pat on the back? Are Catholics they only unsaved ones anymore?
164 posted on 05/17/2007 3:04:02 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: Gamecock
The name you are searching for is Latter Day Saints, or LDS for short.
165 posted on 05/17/2007 3:05:29 PM PDT by NathanR (Apr?s moi, le deluge.)
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To: Gamecock

You may recall that in Acts, people in Ephesus sought healing by touching articles of clothing belonging to Paul. Protestants are obsessed by the idea that divine power must be conveyed from a distance. But even hearing the sound of a person’s voice is a physical event. I can “touch” your eardrums by creating (with my bodily organs) sound waves that touch your ear drums.


166 posted on 05/17/2007 3:07:24 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Besides the point if this is a matter of interpreting a text that both sides hold sacred,


167 posted on 05/17/2007 3:10:56 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The Church doesn’t say that the Old Testament is mythological.


168 posted on 05/17/2007 3:12:36 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Campion
Claud is correct. Rome has "acknowledged" nothing of the sort. And the Orthodox revere St. Christopher, as well.

But somehow it doesn't sound like the same Saint Christopher!

Saint Christopher - Wikipedia:

The story of this saint's life is astoundingly different, depending upon whether one consults Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox church sources.

Roman Catholic view

One legend states that Christopher was a very tall and physical Roman man, originally named Reprobus, who was referred to as a giant by those who knew him, and vowed to serve Jesus and became a Christian. Other sources say his name was Offero, and that he was born in Canaan.[1] He sought out a Christian hermit to inquire as to how he could better serve Jesus. The hermit directed him to a path with a dangerous crossing point at a swift river, and suggested that the man's great size and strength made him a good candidate to assist people in crossing the river. Reprobus began ferrying people across the river on his back.

One day, a small child approached the river and asked to be carried across. Reprobus began to comply, only to discover that the small boy was far heavier than any other passenger he had taken. The child revealed that he was in fact Jesus Christ, and that his unusual weight was due to the fact that he bore the sins of the world. The boy then baptized Reprobus in the river, and he acquired his new name, Christopher, which is Greek for "Christ-carrier" (from Christos, "Christ", and pherein, meaning "to bear").[1]

The child then told Christopher to plant his staff in the ground. The staff miraculously bloomed into a fruit-bearing tree. This miracle converted many. Enraged at these conversions, a local king (or by some accounts, the emperor Decius) had Christopher imprisoned, where after cruel tortures he was beheaded as a martyr.

Eastern Orthodox view

During the reign of the Emperor Decius, a man named Reprebus (or Reprobus) was captured in combat against tribes to the west of Egypt and was assigned to the numerus Marmaritarum or "Unit of the Marmaritae", which suggests an otherwise-unidentified "Marmaritae" Berber tribe of Cyrenaica. He was of enormous size and terrifying demeanor, being a cannibal with cynocephaly (the head of a dog instead of a man), like all the Marmaritae. Traditional Orthodox iconography depicts him as literally dog-headed. Regardless, Reprebus accepted baptism and began to preach the faith. Eventually, the governor of Antioch (or in some versions, the Emperor himself) decreed that Reprebus was to be executed for his faith. He miraculously survived many attempts at execution, eventually permitting himself to be martyred after converting multitudes. His body was then taken back to Alexandria by Peter of Attalia.

So do you pray to the papoose-Christopher or the doghead-Christopher for travel safety?

Tell me, how do you people keep from howling with laughter when they teach this stuff? I've read Grimm's fairy tales with more realistic detail and elements of historical authenticity.

I'm still wondering why little papoose-Jesus let Saint Christopher get executed when he didn't change the staff into a fruit tree, but (supposedly) it was Jesus who did the deed. Are there other places in the Bible where Jesus let his followers take the blame and get executed for his actions? I don't remember any. All I recall is Christ Himself, a perfect and one-time sacrifice for the sins of men.
169 posted on 05/17/2007 3:16:15 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: marsh_of_mists
And doctors who hand out placebos? It is superstition that they sometimes work, and by a process unknown to science?
170 posted on 05/17/2007 3:17:45 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: George W. Bush

All cultures have legendary figures. Glad you had a good laugh except remember that the unbelievers think that the notion of a sacrificed God-man is equally ridiculous.


171 posted on 05/17/2007 3:22:09 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: George W. Bush
Are there other places in the Bible where Jesus let his followers take the blame and get executed for his actions?

Are you reading the same Bible that I read? The one that talks about 12 apostles, 10 of whom were martyred for the faith? Not to mention people like St. Stephen?

The same Bible that inspired a man named Tertullian, who said "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church"?

172 posted on 05/17/2007 3:27:04 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: George W. Bush

I find it hard to keep from howling in laughter when people try to prove that the Catholic Church is flase using a Bible codified and declared infallible by the Catholic Church (well, except for the books the “reformers” cut out).


173 posted on 05/17/2007 3:27:18 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; smpb; Gamecock
Plus, if you call in the next hour, we'll throw in a free set of attractive bobbleheads, suitable for home or car.

Drat!!! I'm too late.

174 posted on 05/17/2007 3:38:26 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; AlbionGirl
(Well, I wanted to be a babe, anyway. Is that so wrong?)

I'm sure your husband things you're a "babe". Go ahead. Ask him. I'm sure I know the answer. ;O)

175 posted on 05/17/2007 3:46:51 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Claud
Where do you see anything that indicates that it is a temporary condition...

Firstly, it is a given because Scripture is adamant that believers are to obey God above men, and that no man has absolute authority on earth as the popes of Rome tried to claim for themselves.

and that the bishop of Rome. And if you're right, that it only holds as long as the bishop of Rome is orthodox, then you are by that very fact saying that *SOMEONE* has to be judging the bishop of Rome heretical.

There were councils as well as bishops and others who judged Roman popes, rightly, as heretics.

You entirely miss the point of this passage, which is that the *Bishop of Rome* judges what is heretical....

Wrong. Never was and never will be.

not as long as he just happens to be orthodox, but because the apostolic tradition of Peter and Paul has been preserved there.

The Apostolic Tradition was recorded in the Scriptures, and was and is passed on to every genuine believer, so said 98% of the Church Fathers.

176 posted on 05/17/2007 3:52:58 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
unless you liked listening to a bunch of smart alex poli sci students drinking beer and cracking jokes.

So that's where the Friday Neeners Caucus got it from.

We were Friday through Thursday.(grin)

177 posted on 05/17/2007 3:55:06 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That’s even sillier. If he doesn’t exist, why is he on any calendar other than ones like “The Simpsons” or “The Muppets?”

Maybe they had an open date to fill on the calendar. So "poof" Christopher the Magic Saint was invented as filler.

178 posted on 05/17/2007 3:56:22 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Alex Murphy
Not that if would have done any good, unless you liked listening to a bunch of smart alex poli sci students drinking beer and cracking jokes. hehehe

That's a lie! I was never a poli sci student, I don't drink beer, and I swear that I was nowhere near the Cuban Embassy in Stockholm that whole time!

Were you a certain Sgt. Shultz on a certain TV show in a former life?

179 posted on 05/17/2007 3:58:48 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: NathanR
The name you are searching for is Latter Day Saints, or LDS for short.

A Mormon by any other name is still a Mormon.

180 posted on 05/17/2007 4:01:18 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: IrishCatholic
Uhm...no. Nice try though. If you post a thread simply to attack the Catholic Church and for no other reason, then call your buddies to join in, my observation is accurate.

Trouble is 1) I did not post this thread, and 2) I did not call anyone to join in. Your observation is inaccurate.

I will say a prayer for you and the others that you stop disobeying Christ and come home.

If you wish to say a prayer, may I suggest that God opens your eyes, if not to the truth, then to the accuracy of a post.

181 posted on 05/17/2007 4:02:04 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: George W. Bush
But somehow it doesn't sound like the same Saint Christopher!

Could be they existed in parallel universes, like in Superman comix.

182 posted on 05/17/2007 4:03:11 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Um—I wasn’t thinking of me.

No, not me, too.

Tutus are a bit too-too for me.

Thanks anyway.


183 posted on 05/17/2007 4:05:48 PM PDT by Running On Empty
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To: HarleyD
I’ll type slower and explain more.
"If you post a thread" doesn’t mean YOU it means the third person you. How about if ONE posts a thread simply...then calls ONE’s buddies....
Reading comprehension can be difficult. Read in context there is no confusion about who started a thread and who is posting to it.

“If you wish to say a prayer, may I suggest that God opens your eyes, if not to the truth, then to the accuracy of a post.”

My eyes are open as well as my mind and soul to Christ. That is why I am Catholic. I do not rebel against Christ or his teachings.

184 posted on 05/17/2007 4:20:27 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: AlbionGirl
Then, of course, we have the Italian Cardinals who when transporting the coffin of Alexander VI, got into some little tiff (that's hard to believe, isn't it?), dropped the casket and started sword fighting.

LOL. That sounds just like some scene cut from "The Life of Brian." I'm still laughing at the image. Sword-fighting in floor-length robes, no less.

185 posted on 05/17/2007 4:21:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Campion; Claud; George W. Bush; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; irishtenor; xzins; blue-duncan; ...
Claud is correct. Rome has "acknowledged" nothing of the sort. And the Orthodox revere St. Christopher, as well.

Well, if you're interested, here's an "excellent" and "authoritative" history which carries about as much weight as some of the RCC fables...

BIBLE UFO CONNECTIONS

"Even the Catholic patron saint of travel, St. Christopher, was, by all accounts, a giant. Jacques de Voragine, in The Golden Legend, wrote of St. Christopher: "He was of gigantic stature, had a terrifying mien, was twelve coudees tall." A coudee is equal to or larger than the English foot. According to this ancient account, St. Christopher stood from 12 to 18 feet tall, a fact that was erased from church history. While Western icons don't picture St. Christopher as a giant, those of the Eastern churches do. His story, in brief, is that his name was originally Offro or Offerus and he was a giant of great strength, but of a sensitive nature, traveling in search of the greatest god.He was possibly of royal birth. His search eventually led him to a strange occupation as a human ferry, hiring out to literally carry people across rivers too deep for a normal human to cross. The legend has Jesus as one of his customers. Jesus blessed him and told him that he had carried on his shoulders all the sins of the world. He then asked St. Christopher to plant his great walking-staff in the ground. At once, a wonderful tree miraculously sprang up. This was not the first time Jesus made a living tree grow from a staff"

186 posted on 05/17/2007 4:34:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy; Risky-Riskerdo; blue-duncan; Gamecock; HarleyD; AlbionGirl; George W. Bush; ...
That's a lie! I was never a poli sci student, I don't drink beer, and I swear that I was nowhere near the Cuban Embassy in Stockholm that whole time!

We have the photographs right here. Are you denying you're the man in the monocle and pork pie hat?

What do you take us for? Romanists?!?

187 posted on 05/17/2007 4:39:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan
I just told your joke to my husband, and he said "knock off the chit-chat with your cyber-buddies cause they're not real."

And yet you guys seem real.

Maybe this is all a miraculous, healing apparition.

In which case, can I sell you on ebay? How much postage would you require?

188 posted on 05/17/2007 4:44:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: marsh_of_mists; Gamecock
If you can believe that God Himself incarnated as a man on Earth, born of a virgin, made the lame walk and the blind see, turned water into wine, died and rose from the dead, and ascended bodily into Heaven, that through His apostles He cast out demons and raised the dead, through Moses parted the Red Sea, had people look upon the brass statue of a serpent to heal snakebites, destroyed a city at the blow of trumpets, turned water into blood, made Aaron's rod blossom, etc. etc. etc.....then why is it so impossible to concieve that He might also work a miracle through slips of paper with prayers written by pious believer?

Because Christ's resurrection is the only miracle men need since Calvary.

Is it not enough for you?

189 posted on 05/17/2007 4:47:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: marsh_of_mists
You're misinformed. You've obviously missed all the arguments on the dispensational threads (they can get really rancorous between historic Protestants and the newly-arrived dispys) and all the two-year-long conversations with the Orthodox on the Nativity thread and (one before that.)

If you'd like to be pinged to our next ferocious battle, I'd be happy to alert you. (Bring towels; it gets rough.) 8~)

190 posted on 05/17/2007 4:51:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RobbyS; George W. Bush; Gamecock
And doctors who hand out placebos? It is superstition that they sometimes work, and by a process unknown to science?

Oh, science knows how it works. It's called the power of suggestion.

Resist the superstition and fables. Scripture should be more than enough for our lifetimes.

191 posted on 05/17/2007 4:54:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: smpb; Gamecock

I meant to mention to you earlier that it’s good and polite form on an internet chatroom to ping any person whom you are specifically referring to in a post, such as your #32 which references Gamecock.


192 posted on 05/17/2007 5:00:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Claud is correct. Rome has "acknowledged" nothing of the sort. And the Orthodox revere St. Christopher, as well.

Well, if you're interested, here's an "excellent" and "authoritative" history which carries about as much weight as some of the RCC fables...

BIBLE UFO CONNECTIONS

"Even the Catholic patron saint of travel, St. Christopher, was, by all accounts, a giant. Jacques de Voragine, in The Golden Legend, wrote of St. Christopher: "He was of gigantic stature, had a terrifying mien, was twelve coudees tall." A coudee is equal to or larger than the English foot. According to this ancient account, St. Christopher stood from 12 to 18 feet tall, a fact that was erased from church history. While Western icons don't picture St. Christopher as a giant, those of the Eastern churches do. His story, in brief, is that his name was originally Offro or Offerus and he was a giant of great strength, but of a sensitive nature, traveling in search of the greatest god.He was possibly of royal birth. His search eventually led him to a strange occupation as a human ferry, hiring out to literally carry people across rivers too deep for a normal human to cross. The legend has Jesus as one of his customers. Jesus blessed him and told him that he had carried on his shoulders all the sins of the world. He then asked St. Christopher to plant his great walking-staff in the ground. At once, a wonderful tree miraculously sprang up. This was not the first time Jesus made a living tree grow from a staff"

Another as valid as RC fables is the Book of Zelph, Another Testament to the Book of Mormon.

From the official Book of Zelph site:

Who Was Zelph?

Perhaps the greatest person in American History was Zelph, the great white Lamanite warrior, who was slain during the last great struggle between the Nephites and Lamanites. His remains were discovered by Joseph Smith and Company in 1834, but not much was known about him. He has remained a cult hero among faithful latter-day saints for nearly 170 years. Until now, Zelph's memory has been kept alive through fantastic urban legends told around campfires and in early morning seminary. These tales can finally be put to rest, because Zelph can now speak for himself. Zelph fans rejoice, for Zelph's records have been discovered!! We can now read Zelph's own words, written by his own hand, upon plates!!

The Coming Forth of The Book of Zelph

While pondering certain passages in The History of the Church, Volume 2, Josh Anderson came upon a passage that mentioned a great white Lamanite warrior named Zelph. This seemingly insignificant event would lead him on a journey to Zelph's final resting place. It was there, in a grove of trees, that Josh would come across the greatest archeological find since Joseph Smith purchased Abraham's writings from Michael Chandler. Josh was led to a hand cart overflowing with metal plates, which were the Lamanite records. He translated the abridgment of these plates, given to him by Zelph, into the Book of Zelph. For the entire story of the coming forth of the Book of Zelph, read Josh Anderson's testimony here.

A Timely Discovery

As archeological and DNA evidence appear to disprove the Book of Mormon, the Book of Zelph has come forward as a second witness to The Book of Mormon. The Book of Zelph fills in the scientific gaps of the Book of Mormon and explains the DNA controversy.

A Message from the Translator of This Work

"Thank you for taking the time to visit this site. Now that you have learned a little bit about Zelph, don't you want to learn more? I encourage you to take the next step and read the Book of Zelph, and then ask yourself if it really is true. If you read it and don't think it is true, re-read it and ask yourself again if you think it is true. If you have some dice, you may want to try Melph's promise, as outlined in the fifth chapter of Melph. In fact, you don't even need to read the book to do Melph's promise. For those who think it is not true, I issue the Book of Zelph Challenge. I promise you that if you do the things I tell you, you will eventually discover for yourself that the Book of Zelph is true. You can also read the inspiring personal testimonies of those who have read the Book of Zelph and know it to be true."

Sincerely,

Josh Anderson, Translator of The Book of Zelph

To know that the Book of Zelph is true:

"And I promise thee that if ye ask if this book be not true, and roll a pair of dice with a sincere heart, and desire exceedingly for the book to be true, yea, the dice shall reveal the truthfulness of this book unto thee." - Melph 5:4

193 posted on 05/17/2007 5:02:03 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Risky-Riskerdo
Could be they existed in parallel universes, like in Superman comix.

Along those lines, ping to 186.

194 posted on 05/17/2007 5:04:00 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Risky-Riskerdo

Wow. Is that serious or is it from a “Simpson’s” episode I missed?


195 posted on 05/17/2007 5:06:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I saw that. They forgot that the Orthodox icons of Christopher have him with a doghead, some sort of hybrid it seems, part human and part dog.

Christopher mustah been a UFO abductee for genetic experimentation.

196 posted on 05/17/2007 5:07:41 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Gamecock

Be sure to place the Tic Tac next to the sliver of the True Cross, by the St. Christopher medal, directly perpendicular with the statue of St. Joseph buried upside down in your lawn, and behind the garden stature of MaryBlessedVirgin. Oh, and it wouldn’t hurt to put a Jesus bobblehead across from it.

That ought cure your arthritis and keep the bogeyman away!


197 posted on 05/17/2007 5:08:10 PM PDT by pjr12345
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To: Risky-Riskerdo

Robo-Saint.


198 posted on 05/17/2007 5:09:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

.The power of suggestion? What the heck is that?


199 posted on 05/17/2007 5:09:14 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: IrishCatholic
Reading comprehension can be difficult.

Yes reading comprehension can be difficult. Words have meaning and it does get confusing if people fail to use proper terms. When people use the term "you" I should just take that to mean "one". Foolish me.

I assume then, based on your comment and my comprehension, that you are labeling all us Protestants as "Jihadist". At least it gives me great comfort to know that I'm not the only "Jihadist" on this thread. I was worried.

My eyes are open as well as my mind and soul to Christ. That is why I am Catholic. I do not rebel against Christ or his teachings.

That's very nice. I'm glad you keep the commandments. Your mother and you must be very proud of this fact. (I'm using "you" in the sense of "you"; not in the sense of "one".)

As for me, I rest upon His promise that He has atoned for my sin through His precious blood and I'm justified through His righteousness. Any work that is required has been completed and paid for by Christ my Lord.

200 posted on 05/17/2007 5:09:18 PM PDT by HarleyD (Jihadist for Jesus)
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