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1 posted on 05/31/2007 8:43:13 AM PDT by NYer
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Father Amorth calls them "my protectors," adding that "the more recent addition of John Paul's has been especially effective and helpful." "The demons become very agitated at his presence,


2 posted on 05/31/2007 8:44:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Tell the USCCB!!!!


3 posted on 05/31/2007 8:47:22 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I have read a couple of Father Gabriele Amorth’s books....I had NO idea he was in his 80s. One of his books spoke of one of JP2’s exorcisms. The books were fascinating.


4 posted on 05/31/2007 8:47:37 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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In related news, Lamer Devil, aka “allah,” gets its panties in a knot over prayers in pig latin.
7 posted on 05/31/2007 8:49:53 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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"The devil is happy with the near-disappearance of Latin," said the bishop.

The aspect of the disappearance of the proper Litergy, rather than the disappearance of the Latin lanquage itself is probably the greatest happiness.

A Priest, converted from ECUSA, once told Neuhaus that the thing he missed most in Catholic Churchs today was the litergy in english. He was, of course, referring to the Book of Common Prayer as compared the the US Catholic liturgical desert, LOL

8 posted on 05/31/2007 8:50:28 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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Hmmm...
Devil hates Latin.
Bishops hate Latin.

Nah, there couldn’t be any connection. It’s just a coincidence.

:-)


9 posted on 05/31/2007 8:55:14 AM PDT by Deo volente
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LOL LOL


10 posted on 05/31/2007 8:56:00 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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And he knows this how?


12 posted on 05/31/2007 9:06:13 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Probably because the Devil doesn't understand Latin.

PRESS 1 FOR ENGLISH, PRESS 2 FOR LATIN

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15 posted on 05/31/2007 9:14:52 AM PDT by OESY
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How does anyone kow the devil even knows Latin???

You guys keep telling us that Mary defeated Satan...Why does anyone have to worry about Satan???

17 posted on 05/31/2007 9:16:58 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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That’s just silly.


30 posted on 05/31/2007 10:07:13 AM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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FYI, any fellow Christians, did you know that our Holy Father has asked that we learn the basic prayers in Latin? To this end a neat, small, handy booklet has been compiled by the Dominicans, entitled “Praying with the Universal Church.”

It contains all the great “standards” (Pater, Ave, Acts of faith, hope, & love, Magnificat, Veni Creator, Anima Christi, etc) with English on one side and the Latin translation on the other.

Also has a simple introduction about the value and benefits of Latin.

Here’s the order info:
(Priests may want to order for congregations, as ours did?)

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35 posted on 05/31/2007 10:34:52 AM PDT by baa39 (Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us. Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.)
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Blessed salt and Holy Water are often used not just by the exorcists themselves, but by those who have been exorcised -- to stave off further disturbances.

Let's postulate for a moment that these people were indeed being harassed by demons (bear in mind that Jesus healed diseases as well as cast out demons; the latter doesn't always cause the former). I fail to see how Blessed Salt and Holy Water will help them. Indeed, it is that material point of view that would, IMHO, prevent them from being healed once and for all.

It is very interesting to read the accounts of exorcism in the Bible and compare them with what this man is saying. You will notice that demons were never cast out with the "aid" of physical objects. Off the top of my head I know of two things that seemed to have the desired effect. The power and authority of the name of God:

"She [the demon possessed] kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her." Acts 16:18, though with some caveat:

"Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, "In the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out." Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. (One day) the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?" Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding." Acts 19:13-16.

And, to some degree, the spiritual strength of the one speaking:

"After Jesus had gone indoors, his disciples asked him privately, "Why couldn't we drive it out?" He replied, "This kind can come out only by prayer.[b]" Mark 9:28-29 (the note says that some mss. say prayer and fasting).

Ultimately, this must be remembered above all: demons are stronger than we are and they are not afraid of Latin, water, or salt. They are afraid of the Holy Spirit of God living in us. Because of the gift of Jesus, and only because of it, is the power within us greater than the power in them.

36 posted on 05/31/2007 10:36:19 AM PDT by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To believe this one would have to believe that the delivery is more important than the content and meaning of the prayer.

If that is the case, then prayer becomes a magical incantation rather than a communication with God. Rote prayer without contemplation is not prayer.

I think it is much more likely that Father Amorth has a very intense love for the Church that goes back to pre-V2 days. The reaction of the devil is falsely attributed to the language of the prayers rather than the seriousness of the man delivering the prayers.


38 posted on 05/31/2007 10:43:37 AM PDT by kidd
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Just when I think I’ve heard everything, along comes something like this!


64 posted on 05/31/2007 12:13:38 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings ("The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests." Andrew Jackson, President of U.S.)
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“The demons become very agitated at his presence,” Father Amorth says of the late Pope”

I’m more impressed with that than with anything I’ve heard of JPII previously.


129 posted on 05/31/2007 1:25:16 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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I wouldn’t rely heavily on this. The Devil has composed some absolutely amazing works in Latin himself.


130 posted on 05/31/2007 1:25:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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Ah, yes. Anybody who has read Moonfleet would remember this.

“Abite a me in ignem eternum qui paratus est diabolo et angelis ejus...”


146 posted on 05/31/2007 2:22:51 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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Well it is the language Jesus spoke.


154 posted on 05/31/2007 2:31:08 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (The winnah ... and new heavyweight champion of The View: Elisabeth Haaaasellllllbeck!)
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Wonder what he thinks about pig latin. lol


158 posted on 05/31/2007 2:51:19 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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