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To: Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear
If one's contentions cannot be supported by Scripture, those contentions need to be reevaluated. And that's not the fault of the Scriptures nor the person pointing out the error.

And you will please note that ears-to-hear and I were having a very nice conversation along those lines until the other poster decided to post troll-like spam on the thread.

If the other poster or you would like to have an adult conversation, either of you are more than welcome to do so. It's called having a discussion...something that adults do when they don't agree with one another.

But that's not what this other individual did. The other individual simply accused the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of teaching heresy or worse (and, by extension, Catholic believers). No evidences were given. Just an assertion. Fine. That is his/her right to do so (we live in a free country, right?). This poster simply wrapped him/herself in the scriptures (without citing applicable scriptures to support that belief).

Well, I gave that other poster "the Word." I quoted several scriptures that are appropriate for him/her to use in the situation where he/she found herself (dealing with a "heretic"). I then challenged this poster to act in accordance with those scriptures.

Isn't that what one is supposed to do? Teach each other scriptures? Reprove each other with scriptures? Correct each other's behaviors with scriptures?

If, after the posting given me by this other poster and my rejection of that posting, this poster did other than what the scriptures called for, that other poster is clearly not acting in accordance with scripture and is just trying to stir stuff up. In other words a troll.

To repeat, though, if you would like to have an honest, adult, discussion of the issue that is the subjet of the thread, I'm all ears (or all eyes, as it were).

38 posted on 06/10/2007 10:22:28 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
Another thing that people often miss is that many of his disciples actually said "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" The apostles themselves, were also murmuring but when Jesus asked "Will you also go away?" Peter replied, "Lord, to whom shall we go?"

So we know by this that many disciples, followers of Jesus couldn't handle this any better than those who today don't believe that the Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. What made the difference between those who left and the Apostles is their absolute belief in Jesus. As Peter pointed out Jesus had the words of eternal life. It didn't matter that what He said was hard to understand, they believed in Jesus with a supernatural faith and if He said that, He meant that.

This is also not a parable. When Jesus used parables, he explained them to the Apostles and in this case, He said it and He obviously meant it or He would have explained it to the Apostles.

So if there are those out there who cannot accept this hard saying we are left with the knowledge that many who actually walked with Jesus and called Him friend is Jesus' lifetime could not accept it and many walked away.

As far as making any of these people is impossible, only Jesus can speak to their hearts and inform them of the truth of the mystery of the Eucharist. In the meantime, Jesus has given us a great gift and we can only feel profoundly humble for it.

41 posted on 06/10/2007 11:46:49 AM PDT by tiki
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