Whoever the current "living prophet" is, that presides over the LDS church at that time. I believe that person is still Gordon B. Hinckley.
Posted on 06/11/2007 8:06:18 AM PDT by ZGuy
I think the key part of the article that is a relevant question re: blood oaths is this part:
Mitt Romney’s grandfather swore an oath against the United States of America. The oath said, “You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, that you will teach the same to your children and to your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.”
Since the above oath was part of the temple endowment procdure until Feb. 15, 1927...did Mitt's grandfather and/or great-grandfather swear this oath? Is not Mitt part of that "third or fourth generation"?
Note this statement by John D. Lee: “Brigham raised his hand and said, ‘I swear by the eternal Heavens that I have unsheathed my sword, and I will never return it until the blood of the Prophet Joseph and Hyrum, and those who were slain in Missouri, is avenged. This whole nation is guilty of shedding their blood, by assenting to the deed, and holding its peace.’ ... Furthermore, every one who had passed through their endowments, in the Temple, were placed under the most sacred obligations to avenge the blood of the Prophet, whenever an opportunity offered, and to teach their children to do the same, thus making the entire Mormon people sworn and avowed enemies of the American nation.” (Mormonism Unveiled, 1877, p. 160)
LOL, gotta love when all that is used against us, are a bunch of anti-mormon books and websites. Kinda like the liberals using the MSM as their sources for truth.
*claps*
We have a catholic majority on the supreme court so who cares?
Must be an early morning for you. That would be AINO.
Have another cup of coffee and try again.
...and yes, i missed your subsequent post...CDL heads for the coffee pot...
Well, certainly there are many shades of the Pratt-McLean story, depending upon whom you cite. (I think the one thing they all agree on was that Eleanor McLean was separated from her husband, Hector, but not divorced). Also, most historians, LDS & otherwise, do link the Pratt murder as one of the escalating factors of Southern Utah Mormons to distrust--or avenge--a wagon train party from Arkansas.
As for the blood oath as being part of the LDS temple ceremonies doesn't need "anti-Mormon" sources:
“... omit from the prayer circle all reference to avenging the blood of the prophets.” (Apostle George F. Richards, Apostle, 2/15/1927, as cited by John Buerger, “The Development of the Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony,” Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Winter 1987, v. 20, no. 4, p. 55).
All you have to do is read the U.S. Senate history of the confirmation of LDS apostle Reed Smoot as senator & you'll see that this oath was part of the investigation into accepting Smoot.
Indeed he did. Undoubtedly he was not happy with the USA at that point. It appears that he cursed us with Carter so that we would repent and vote for Reagan.
Personally, I believe that God doesn't get involved in human politics.
Then I guess you either 1) have not read the Bible, or 2) don't believe the Bible. That's not unusual.
That's why we much act on our own faith and values and vote accordingly — if God's plan is not put in place on this Earth, it's our fault, not His.
I sense you are a Deist. I also sense that you believe that God does not know the future, that he has no control over his own plans, and that he is as surprised by current events as we are. That, IMO, is pretty a frightening theological worldview. If God is not intervening is politics and controlling the destiny of the earth, then quite frankly it would appear that we are doomed.
full disclosure, I am Catholic
Is this verse in the Catholic bible?
The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. (Proverbs 21:1 KJV)
God is in control.
Thank God.
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What merits?
I disagree very strongly with Mormon theology. But this article is a bit over the top. If elected Romney will take an oath to uphold the Constitution. Unless proven otherwise I will believe he would not run for office if he could not honestly keep that oath.
I also thought that the blood oaths of the temple endowment ended in the 60’s. I invite any LDS tell me if this is true.
And comparing the attacks of 2001 by Muslim fanatics to the Mountain Meadow Massacre is very low. I am not defending the massacre it was horrid. But since no such attacks ever occurred again I think we can safely conclude that it was an isolated incident condemned by LDS. Besides the real motive was most likely not religious but larcenous. The train contained extremely valuable thorougbred horses which certain LDS members coveted.
Oh, that sounds woefully uninformed. How many RINOs do you know who do things like this:
He vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell research
He vetoed a bill that provided for the "morning after pill" without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
Governor Romney strongly supported a successful ballot initiative that replaced the state's bilingual program with English immersion. (Romney Vows to Protect English Immersion Law, May 1, 2003)
Governor Romney demonstrated his commitment to school-choice by vetoing a bill that would have canceled funding for Massachusetts' charter-school program. (Romney to Veto Charter School Moratorium, June 23, 2004)
He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students.
In the four balanced budgets he signed into law, Governor Romney used the line-item veto or program reduction power to cut spending by nearly $1 Billion.
Over the course of four budgets, Governor Romney made over 300 line-item reductions, 350 line-item eliminations and struck language 150 times
Gov. Romney was instrumental in passing a bill abolishing a retroactive capital gains tax in the state that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay an additional $200 million in state taxes and fees
Who is the prophet?
Whoever the current "living prophet" is, that presides over the LDS church at that time. I believe that person is still Gordon B. Hinckley.
It is. President Hinckley is still alive and kicking, at almost 97 years of age.
I’m an ex-Mormon too, and sorry, this guy is full of crap. I’d vote for Romney in a heartbeat over Hillary or any other Democrat, thanks.
What a load of unadulterated guano. That "oath" was nothing of the kind. There was no vengeance sworn against the country. Vengeance was sworn against the cowardly murderers who mobbed together and killed Joseph and Hyrum Smith in cold blood, spilling their blood upon the ground of this nation.
The murderers of the Smith brothers died long, long ago. This author is a liar, a distorter, and has a personal axe to grind against the Church. Once again, he proves that many of those who leave the Church are incapable of leaving it alone.
Good article, thanks. I did learn a bit about Mormonism. know.
Never mind - I see it was moved here by the religion moderator. Strange.
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