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To: fr maximilian mary
a) After willing the Trinity, the first thing that God wills is the humanity of Jesus.

I think that one phrase is going to cause more talk than any ideas of predestination!

3 posted on 06/13/2007 6:21:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; fr maximilian mary

What I find intriguing is the dirth of Scriptural references; I tallied three. It seems to be more the philosophical musings of the author than an effort to explore God’s Word for doctrine and correction.


4 posted on 06/13/2007 6:44:38 AM PDT by pjr12345 (I am held accountable to the law. So ought the lawbreakers.)
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To: Alex Murphy; ArrogantBustard; P-Marlowe
"After willing the Trinity, the first thing that God wills is the humanity of Jesus."

Thank you for your posts.

I think what Danny Garland Jr. is saying is this (at least this is what Bl. John Duns Scotus says):

First, God knows and loves Himself (from all eternity, outside time, before creation).

Second, He wills to create the universe in order to communicate His glory to creatures outside Himself--first in His plan of creation is the Sacred Humanity of Christ.

I would not use the term "after willing the Trinity" (and Scotus doesn't use that terminology). However, if love is of the will, then God loves Himself (wills Himself?)--at best its not the best use of terminology; at worst it could be considered heretical. But leave that aside, the point to be discussed here is this:

Did God will the Incarnation solely as a remedy for man's sin? Or did God will first His most perfect masterpiece in all creation (the Incarnation) and then will everything else for Christ (sin or no sin)? God bless...

12 posted on 06/13/2007 8:33:35 AM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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