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To: xzins; Frumanchu; Dr. Eckleburg; markomalley; livius; ArrogantBustard; Suzy Quzy
Methodism came a couple hundred years after the reformation, so it’s ify whether one could agree with Wesley and include them in the reformation. The reformation churches, in my mind, should be the true definition of protestant.

It’s simply incorrect to view the Assembly of God or the Church of God, etc., as protestant. Some other label would be more appropriate: American Evangelical....something like that.

I agree. In my own mind, I tend to break down "Protestant" into categories of:

"Reformed/Protestant" (16th century, those that trace denominational and creedal roots back to the Reformation),
"Evangelical" (17th century, like xzins' Wesleyans/Methodists or the Baptists, largely anabaptist, that arose after the Reformed groups);
"Restorationist" (19th century, independent "first century style" churches / denominations that can be traced back to the Stone/Campbell movement in NY's Hudson River valley); and
"Charismatic" (20th century, any "Spirit-led" but anti-creedal church or denomination that followed or appeared alongside the Restorationists, but especially those that originated with the "baby boomer" generation i.e. the Calvary Chapel/Vineyard churches).

I'm honestly not sure where I'd place groups like the "emergent churches" or even the Warren / Osteen style megachurches. They lack the strong theological distinctives (Calvinism, creedalism) that characterizes the earlier groups, and the strong cultural distinctives (display of charismatic gifts, fierce cultural isolationism) that characterizes the later groups. I tend to think that they should get their own category, but I usually lump them under the "evangelical" label because they usually associate themselves with that group socially.

40 posted on 06/15/2007 12:03:23 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I would have difficulty lumping open theist churches in with evangelical churches.

I think a lot of the newer mega church leaders are closet open theists.


41 posted on 06/15/2007 12:07:36 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Alex Murphy

That’s a good step toward a set of “conversationally useful” terms ... thank you.


45 posted on 06/15/2007 12:12:18 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Alex,

I also thank you for that breakdown. I’ll try to start using it in my conversation.


59 posted on 06/15/2007 1:15:52 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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