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To: RobbyS
It finally dawned on me that what happened after Vatican II was one of those periodic revolts among the lower clergy that cause great disruption.

That's a good point. A fish rots from the head, however, so there was obviously corruption at the top. But I think it would never have gone so far if it had not been promoted by lower level clergy. Some of them were the young products of corrupted seminaries; others were middle aged but had obviously gotten by in the world simply by disguising their opinions. I used to hear men like that preaching: you knew they believed not a word of their religion, but it was their job and they knew exactly how much they could get away with.

When the Church tried to stamp out modernism (which culminated in the evil aspects of Vatican II), it obviously didn't go about it the right way. Making these people take an oath didn't matter, because they didn't believe in oaths anyway. If you don't believe in God in the first place, what leverage does the Church have over you? It's hard to say why they wanted to go into the clergy. An easy living, perhaps; or possibly they started as believers and got corrupted. Or possibly it was the Devil, "who like a roaring lion, goes about seeking whom he may devour..."

24 posted on 06/21/2007 10:56:24 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Well, at least it never got as bad as the Episcopalians . . . < groan >

I still kid Monsignor about our being Refugees from the Wrath to Come . . . .

26 posted on 06/21/2007 10:59:35 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: livius

Good list. I would add that many priessts were gullible and/or naive, in part because they were products of a narrow seminary education which taught them the bad things about other points of views but not the good things than be so seductive. Take psychology,for instance. It pretends to be science when it is is only quasi-science. One cannot dismiss it ought of hand, One must deal with its truths, the half-truths as well as the falsehoods. Then there was the cult of Teilhard, whom Maritain despised but about whom even the Holy Father has some good things to say because the Jebbie had some good things to offer. The worst offenders, I think, are always the idealists because
so many are going to be disillusioned, but not before they mess things up for the people they influence.


30 posted on 06/21/2007 11:45:01 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHOa)
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To: livius

I think it’s for the same reason that so many fabian communists went into academia. Once their ill-begotten plot to overthrow society overtly failed they began to infiltrate and undermine. The Church was one of the biggest bulwarks against them, so it was one of their favorite targets. Thank God the Church is the anvil on which heresies are blunted.

It also explains why so many of them went in willing to take the vow of chastity. They never had any intention of keeping it.


34 posted on 06/21/2007 12:07:55 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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