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Gog, Magog and an Iranian-Russian Alliance?
Riddleblog ^ | June 20, 2007 | Kim Riddlebarger

Posted on 06/21/2007 12:04:21 PM PDT by topcat54

Joel Rosenberg is a very popular writer who tells a compelling story. His books are even endorsed by Rush Limbaugh. In his book Epicenter, which ranks high up on the Amazon best-selling chart, Rosenberg argues that the current animus between Israel and Iran is actually foretold in chapters 38-39 of the famous prophecy of Ezekiel regarding Gog and Magog.

As Rosenberg sees things, one day soon Israel will find itself cornered by a Russian-Iranian-Arab alliance which will threaten Israel's very existence. To prove his point he cites from a number of military, political and journalistic sources. He is probably right about the animus and the Islamic designs upon Israel. But my interest in this post is with Rosenberg's appeal to the prophecy of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38-39.

Typically, dispensationalists like Rosenberg appeal to this passage as a yet unfulfilled prediction of a Russian-backed Islamic invasion of the modern nation of Israel, at or about the time the seven-year tribulation begins.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Theology
KEYWORDS: bookreview; dispensationalism; endtimes; epicenter; joelcrosenberg; prophecy
"Rosenberg tells a great story and has gathered much interesting evidence about Islamic and Russian intentions. But he also misuses the prophecy of Ezekiel 38-39 to make his point."
1 posted on 06/21/2007 12:04:22 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; HarleyD; suzyjaruki; nobdysfool; jkl1122; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Reformed Eschatology Ping List (REPL)

"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)

2 posted on 06/21/2007 12:05:26 PM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: topcat54

ACTUALLY,

I found his books exceedingly Biblical and kosher in terms of Scripture, logic, history, analysis etc.


3 posted on 06/21/2007 12:16:14 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Rev. Riddelbarger or Mr. Rosenberg?


4 posted on 06/21/2007 6:56:24 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Lee N. Field

Rosenberg.


5 posted on 06/21/2007 7:25:28 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54

hogwash . . .

Now that the obligatory hogwash is out of the way . . .

I wish to say . . .

The nonsense about God and Magog may not be Gog and Magog is moot, imho.

One of the prophecies of that ilk asserts that it’s

THE NORTHERN MOST COUNTRY FROM ISRAEL.

Check the map . . . that would be . . . drum roll . . .

Moscow/Russia.


6 posted on 06/21/2007 7:49:23 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54
...by a Russian-Iranian-Arab alliance...

What does Arab "alliance" mean? Syria? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? That statement leaves the whole context rather opened ended and safe to make that prediction, doesn't it? I'm surprise he doesn't say Russian-Arab alliance. Well, then again, I'm not surprised.

7 posted on 06/22/2007 4:28:45 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: topcat54; ItsOurTimeNow; suzyjaruki; nobdysfool; jkl1122; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
An interesting quote:


8 posted on 06/22/2007 4:33:55 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

It means whatever the Humpty Dumpty wishes it to mean, Alice.


9 posted on 06/22/2007 6:52:56 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: Quix
THE NORTHERN MOST COUNTRY FROM ISRAEL.

Bit late reply, but, could I point you to a book you might find interesting: God, Heaven and Har Magedon, specifically his discussion of Mt. Zaphon.

10 posted on 09/16/2007 8:21:35 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Lee N. Field

Thanks for the bother of your suggestion. I looked it over.

It appears to be full of types, symbols, typologies etc.

I’m not impressed.

I get very weary of folks who go to great lengths—exhaustive lengths in that author’s case—to avoid the plain literal meaning of Scripture—evidently—to the max, in his case.

I don’t think I’ll waste my time or money on his book. But I appreciate your caring to bother mentioning it.


11 posted on 09/16/2007 9:49:00 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Lee N. Field; Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; ..
A brazen ping to the end times ping list just for the humor of the gross inconsistencies involved.

It's fascinating to me. You characters take a very few Scriptures you interpret as comprehensively insisting on an absolutely NO CHOICE DETERMINISTIC theology--and JUMP OFF THE LITERAL CLIFF with them maximizing their literalness way out of whack.

Yet in areas of end times prophecies--obviously many of them meant to be taken exceedingly literally with repeated mentions of specific numbers of days between certain events etc. . . . and you refuse to take them 1/100th literally.

And then you have the . . . unmitigated cheek to expect us to take your theology seriously as a consistent whole!

LOL. GTTM.

12 posted on 09/16/2007 9:58:48 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 09/16/2007 10:18:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
then in Revelation 20:8-9, John speaks of Gog and Magog as symbolic of the nations of the earth, gathering together to make war on the saints (the church).

Actually, Rev.20:8-9 is referring to the post-Millennial age, after Satan is released and sparks a world-wide revolt against Christ.

After this final revolt is put down, then the Great White Throne judgement occurs and then the eternal state, with the New Heavens and Earth. (Rev.21-22).

It would seem that there are two references to Gog and Magog in the Bible.

14 posted on 09/16/2007 10:57:58 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I agree that there appear to be 2 attacks by Gog & Magog . . . one at the end of the Millenial reign.

I’m not looking at the moment . . . off the top of my head, is Ezek 38’s war the other one? Some believe that may be one of the not too far off . . . “next up” “main events.”


15 posted on 09/17/2007 3:11:39 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
I’m not looking at the moment . . . off the top of my head, is Ezek 38’s war the other one? Some believe that may be one of the not too far off . . . “next up” “main events

Yes, but it should occur after the Rapture.

Isn't Rosenberg a pre-wrath guy or am I thinking of someone else?

16 posted on 09/17/2007 3:43:06 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

IIRC, he’s at least pre-wrath but also holds out the possibility of pre-trib. I don’t think he’s dogmatic on it.


17 posted on 09/17/2007 4:22:22 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Could Gog Magog happen before the Rapture? Would that take away from the scriptural teaching of the imminent return of Christ? Also, Gog Magog may be the reason the Antichrist makes a treaty with Israel because that would be the only way he would suppose he could control God after God so overwhelmingly shows the world that Israel is his chosen people through his protection of them in the Gog Magog invasion.


18 posted on 09/17/2007 7:36:24 AM PDT by marbren
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To: fortheDeclaration

You could be thinking of Marv Rosenthal who used to be pre-trib but after much study changed his mind to pre-wrath. He wrote a book about it called the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church. He came to our church once for a conference and spoke about it. It convinced me. He took a LOT of flack from his pre-trib friends (lost a lot of them) over this. I think he even lost his job. Maryxxx


19 posted on 09/17/2007 7:46:26 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: marbren

Have often pondered on that. Plausible, to me. We shall see.


20 posted on 09/17/2007 9:10:52 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Marysecretary
You could be thinking of Marv Rosenthal who used to be pre-trib but after much study changed his mind to pre-wrath. He wrote a book about it called the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church. He came to our church once for a conference and spoke about it. It convinced me. He took a LOT of flack from his pre-trib friends (lost a lot of them) over this. I think he even lost his job. Maryxxx

Yes, you are correct, thank you for the information.

21 posted on 09/17/2007 12:52:22 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Quix
IIRC, he’s at least pre-wrath but also holds out the possibility of pre-trib. I don’t think he’s dogmatic on it.

Thanks for the post.

Another poster pointed out that it was Rosenthiel I was thinking of.

22 posted on 09/17/2007 12:56:58 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Ahhh.

Thanks.


23 posted on 09/17/2007 2:06:53 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Today I was going through all the tapes I have from church and women’s conferences and found the talks he gave to our church in 1995. Funny to be thinking of him just now and finding those too. He was an excellent speaker.


24 posted on 09/17/2007 9:02:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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