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The Tide Is Turning Toward Catholicism: The Converts
Catholic Exchange ^ | July 2, 2007 | David Hartline

Posted on 07/04/2007 6:47:22 AM PDT by NYer

 It started with Scott Hahn and it is still going strong.  The number of prominent Protestant clergy and theologians coming to the Catholic Church has been nothing short of remarkable.  Priests like Father Dwight Longenecker and Father Alvin Kimel are new to the Church and they bring a lot of enthusiasm, scholarship and wit and humor with them.  Father Longenecker might be the only priest who is a graduate of the admittedly anti-Catholic institute of higher learning, Bob Jones University.  Deacon Alex Jones, a former pastor in a prominent African-American Pentacostalist Church in Detroit left behind a vibrant, growing congregation.  However, the pull of Catholicism's 2,000 year-old history and her ability to weather many storms was too much for Deacon Jones.  He now travels around the country telling his conversion story.  In addition, there have been prominent theologians and university scholars like Dr Francis Beckwith, who very recently was the head of the Evangelical Theological Society.  He came home to the Church in April.  The aftershocks from his reversion to Catholicism (he was born into the faith but later left the Church for Evangelicalism during his teenage years in the heyday of the "Jesus Movement,") still are being felt.  He followed Joshua Hochschild who surprised many in the theological world when he recently converted to Catholicism.

In my book The Tide Is Turning Toward Catholicism, I note that while many in the media, even some Catholics, are focused on those who have left the Church, few have noticed the significance of so many prominent members of other faiths who have come home to Rome.  It should be noted that many who left the Catholic Faith, usually for a non-denominational mega church, often can't give a theological reason.  They can only say that they enjoy the liveliness and entertainment that a mega church often provides.  It is most encouraging that Catholicism is getting the crème of the crop from other churches.  Entry into the Church for these converts is usually made after a long, difficult journey to come to terms with something that they never thought possible.  For some, like Scott Hahn and Father Dwight Longenecker, the Faith they once mocked is the Faith they have changed their lives and alienated family and friends to join, a decision not taken lightly. 

Often, it is an attempt to better understand Catholicism in order to disprove it that leads to conversion, when they simply could not come up with anything to dispute the key tenets of Catholicism: Scripture and Tradition, the Sacraments, Apostolic Tradition and the role of Mary.  They found themselves falling into the trap that the eminent Pharisee Gamaliel warned about in Acts 5:33-39. They might be fighting against God.

Many of the former converts, some of whom were admitted anti-Catholics, have now become prominent defenders of the faith.  Dr. Scott Hahn is a mainstay at Franciscan University and is often seen on EWTN.  As a matter of fact there are so many converts and reverts coming home to the Church that one of the most popular shows on EWTN is The Journey Home, hosted by Marcus Grodi.  Besides clergy and scholars there are hundreds of thousands who have entered the Church in recent years. This past Easter, it was announced that over 100,000 people came into the Church, just in the United States.  While bloggers and Catholic apologists Mark Shea and Jimmy Akin came into the Church some time ago, Aimee Milburn and Gerald Augustinus along with twin brothers David Bennett and Jonathan Bennett have chronicled their recent journeys into the Church via their blogs.  It is a truly remarkable story that often gets little media attention.  If the converts keep coming, the Tiber is going to get mighty crowded.  Indeed, the tide is turning!


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David J. Hartline was a Catholic school teacher, coach, principal and diocesan administrator.  He founded the CatholicReport.org website in 2005.
1 posted on 07/04/2007 6:47:23 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
It should be noted that many who left the Catholic Faith, usually for a non-denominational mega church, often can't give a theological reason.  They can only say that they enjoy the liveliness and entertainment that a mega church often provides. 
2 posted on 07/04/2007 6:49:12 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
It should be noted that many who left the Catholic Faith, usually for a non-denominational mega church, often can't give a theological reason.  They can only say that they enjoy the liveliness and entertainment that a mega church often provides. 
3 posted on 07/04/2007 6:50:02 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Truth drives their journey.

You can’t kick against the goad forever.

“The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it”.

Like the Energizer Bunny, the Church just keeps going.


4 posted on 07/04/2007 6:55:13 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: NYer

Member since 2004.

5 posted on 07/04/2007 7:08:51 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: NYer

We swam it. I thank God every day for throwing me in the Tiber.


6 posted on 07/04/2007 7:11:52 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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I could have written most of that article from personal experience. It defines my journey fairly well and why I love my faith as a Catholic and will be eternally thankful to have finally ended up home.


7 posted on 07/04/2007 7:13:05 AM PDT by Kathy Ann
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To: NYer; ears_to_hear; xzins; P-Marlowe
It should be noted that many who left the Catholic Faith, usually for a non-denominational mega church, often can't give a theological reason. They can only say that they enjoy the liveliness and entertainment that a mega church often provides.

That's funny. Every single person I know who left the Roman Catholic Church did so for theological reasons, and for the most part did NOT leave to go to a "mega church."

Methinks this is a rather skewed view of reality.

8 posted on 07/04/2007 7:16:05 AM PDT by Frumanchu (Jerry Falwell: Now a Calvinist in Glory)
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To: Frumanchu

It would be quite true for those that I know.


9 posted on 07/04/2007 7:22:10 AM PDT by tioga (I'll take Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson for President. Pick one.)
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To: NYer
It should be noted that many who left the Catholic Faith, usually for a non-denominational mega church, often can't give a theological reason. They can only say that they enjoy the liveliness and entertainment that a mega church often provides.

My wife and I went to one of those good-time rock-and-roll mega-churches (well, Mrs. randog did and I dutifully attended on Easter and Christmas). A couple of years ago we attended Christmas services, and I walked away feeling empty. Sure, the rock band played, and they had a couple of plays, but afterward I argued that the sermon (all ten minutes of it given by a pastor in flip flops and a Hawaiian shirt) was full of inconsistencies. I felt that the pastor had gotten it all wrong.

We went home after a post-service Christmas party and I turned the tube on. There was a televised catholic mass and I had my wife sit down with me to see a proper Christmas service (I was raised catholic). We both felt better after that, and we've since left the good-time, rock-and-roll church (and have heard since that many others have done likewise).

10 posted on 07/04/2007 7:35:01 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: NYer

This should be interesting.


11 posted on 07/04/2007 7:37:33 AM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Frumanchu

Once again a member of the granddaddy of all megachurches calls another church “mega.”


12 posted on 07/04/2007 7:42:44 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Larry Lucido
Didn't you know though that Saddleback-type mega-churches represent Protestantism? </sarcasm>
13 posted on 07/04/2007 8:25:39 AM PDT by Frumanchu (Jerry Falwell: Now a Calvinist in Glory)
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To: Frumanchu

Methinks you have been exposed only to a small segment of reality.


14 posted on 07/04/2007 8:33:49 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: B-Chan

He just led me to a little puddle and I waded for years to actually get to the river.


15 posted on 07/04/2007 9:19:04 AM PDT by tiki
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Feel free to put forth some actual empirical evidence of the above claims. I'm sure we can all relate our experiences with a few people, but I have yet to see anything even approaching a solid foundation for the generalized claims being made here.

I will say as well that all of the Catholics I know locally who have converted did so because of inadequacies in their local church, NOT for theological reasons.

16 posted on 07/04/2007 9:35:46 AM PDT by Frumanchu (Jerry Falwell: Now a Calvinist in Glory)
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To: Frumanchu

I am a former Protestant who converted in 2005 - for definite theological reasons. I will be happy to enumerate them for you if you are interested.


17 posted on 07/04/2007 10:33:32 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: Frumanchu

Indeed.

After I was born again I tried to stay in the Catholic church.

I was a cradle Catholic, educated in Catholic schools, married to a cradle Catholic. All my children were being raised Catholic and I had many very active Catholic ministries and I was very active in my parish.

I thought I could reconcile my new faith in Christ as my Savior with Catholicism .

But it seemed the more and more I studied scripture the more and more I could see the non scriptural error taught by the Catholic church. I started to go to evening services at an AOG and hoped that would help me bridge the gap. After 3 years I could no longer justify staying Catholic, I held almost no doctrine in common with the RC anymore.

I left for purely doctrinal reasons.

As for Protestants becoming Catholics..

No one has ever said that ALL those that call themselves Protestant are regenerate (saved) . Many have been raised in the Protestant church or have made a decision to attend a certain church with little thought to doctrine.

Having an intellectual assent to a doctrine does not save anyone. Attending a church every Sunday does not save anyone or imply they are saved, teaching Sunday school or having a degree in Theology does not mean anyone is saved.

The churches are full of people that build their own god or doctrine or tradition that make them feel “holy”.

Something making YOU feel holy or close to God does not mean you are.

These searchers often move to the catholic or orthodox churches because the tradition and mystery seem to reflect holiness. So it makes them feel holy.

May of those that will occupy hell will be people that felt holy in this life.

Salvation is not a matter of feelings, it is an act of God on sinful men.


18 posted on 07/04/2007 10:58:52 AM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: randog

And I walked out of our parish church during Easter mass - a sermon on the Resurrection as a symbol - all about your resurrection, my resurrection, our resurrection. I drove to the next town and took communion there, and I’m still Catholic at a parish we love, but you can find a bad church in any denomination.

At the church we left, they still have the self-conscious, swishy priest who glares at restless toddlers and babies who fuss for a few seconds (all K-5 children are strongly encouraged to go to the children’s room where they play instead of listening to the children’s lesson there, creeping new age-ism, contempt for tradition, an in-your-face gender neutrality and elevation of laity, and a grand embracing Parish Theme - Sharing Our Stories. We went there on Ash Wednesday because it was the only service we could get to, and it was just as bad as it had ever been.

But if that was all I could find, I wouldn’t be Catholic any more.

Mrs VS


19 posted on 07/04/2007 11:16:10 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: ears_to_hear

Good testimony...

Isn’t it amazing how different the scripture looks after you have been saved...

And isn’t it amazing as well how you can’t get salvation until you quit trying to get it...


20 posted on 07/04/2007 11:55:45 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Iscool

Yes it is amazing when one sees spiritual things with spiritual discernment.:)


21 posted on 07/04/2007 11:59:25 AM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: NYer

Ok here we go, a handful of scholars converting to RCC does not a movement make, though it does beef up your propaganda pieces a bit. As a Protestant on the ground among many Catholics everyday in the military, I can assure you that I have personally led many of yours to a personal relationship with Christ. All I do is read them the scriptures. The words of grace spoken of by Paul do more than remove the barnacles of “tradition,” they convert the soul.


22 posted on 07/04/2007 12:00:41 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: NYer

Interesting. So many people have wondered what the Church would do about the priest shortage. How incredible it would be if the ranks were swelled by the ministers of other denominations.


23 posted on 07/04/2007 12:04:16 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ears_to_hear

Good for you for having the intellectual honesty to admit you had excommunicated yourself by not accepting what the Church teaches.


24 posted on 07/04/2007 12:09:12 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Iscool; ears_to_hear

What do you mean by “being saved?” Is it a sudden overwhelming compulsion to wave your arms in the air with your eyes closed and sway back and forth while listening to “Jesus is my boyfriend” music?


25 posted on 07/04/2007 12:11:39 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Frumanchu
That was my thought. I'm in a small men's group and just a few weeks ago we realized that every single member had been raised as a catholic.

The bottom line is, truth is not determined by numbers of members...so it really doesn't matter what sort of anecdotal rah rah the author cares to present.

26 posted on 07/04/2007 12:15:29 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: ichabod1

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Rom 5:6 ¶ For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

No mass, no sacraments, no law keeping... salvation by the grace and mercy of God

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.


27 posted on 07/04/2007 12:28:53 PM PDT by ears_to_hear (Pray for America)
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To: ichabod1
What do you mean by “being saved?” Is it a sudden overwhelming compulsion to wave your arms in the air with your eyes closed and sway back and forth while listening to “Jesus is my boyfriend” music?

Clearly you are trying to be facetious but that's ok...

AND, while I don't recollect weaving back and forth, there have been times that I've raised my arms/hands in the air praising and worshiping God...

And my take on the music is that if the lyrics glorify God, and you don't get a compulsion to go into a dance mode, it's Christian music to me...

Y'all folks that think that you can do something that will please God don't have a clue what I'm talking about...But I, and those millions like me just sit back and let God handle it...That's cause there's nothing I can do that will please God unless He is the author of it...

Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

But yes, I tried to understand the Bible without submitting to Jesus Christ...I may as well have been trying to read the Harvard five foot shelf of Classics, in Arabic...

28 posted on 07/04/2007 12:38:09 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Well, God love ya’ for persevering despite some of the fools we must rely upon to confect the Eucharist!

JPII and B16 are doing a good job making the current crop of swishy pastors who would rather “share our stories” than share the gospel. Isn’t it interesting that pro-life homeschooling Marian Eucharistic stories never get told in such parishes? Only certain stories are legit, apparently.


29 posted on 07/04/2007 12:58:57 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - W? No, 'twas Sen. Hillary 9/12/01)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Well, God love ya’ for persevering despite some of the fools we must rely upon to confect the Eucharist!

JPII and B16 are doing a good job making __irrelevant__ the current crop of swishy pastors who would rather “share our stories” than share the gospel. Isn’t it interesting that pro-life homeschooling Marian Eucharistic stories never get told in such parishes? Only certain stories are legit, apparently.


30 posted on 07/04/2007 12:59:43 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - W? No, 'twas Sen. Hillary 9/12/01)
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To: bethelgrad

Thats odd.

At our military chapel, the Catholic parish is thriving, despite a lackluster (but kind and orthodox) pastor.

We have many people converting, too.

And the Protestant services keep getting smaller.

Same when I was deployed - protestant services were almost empty - but Catholic Mass was always packed.


31 posted on 07/04/2007 1:03:27 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - W? No, 'twas Sen. Hillary 9/12/01)
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To: NYer
It started with Scott Hahn and it is still going strong.

Honestly, he lost me right here. He might as well have said, "It started with Cardinal Newman," if he had to give a historical background :-).

32 posted on 07/04/2007 1:22:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Frumanchu

What were the theological reasons?


33 posted on 07/04/2007 1:37:11 PM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: NYer
The Tide Is Turning Toward Catholicism: The Converts

John Calvin Made Me Catholic

Journey Home - May 21 - Neil Babcox (former Presbyterian) - A minister encounters Mary

Going Catholic - Six journeys to Rome

My (Imminent) Reception into the Roman Catholic Church

From Calvinist to Catholic

A Convert's Pilgrimage [Christopher Cuddy]

From Pastor to Parishioner: My Love for Christ Led Me Home (to the Catholic Church) [Drake McCalister]

Lutheran professor of philosophy prepares to enter Catholic Church

Patty Bonds (former Baptist and sister of Dr. James White) to appear on The Journey Home - May 7

Pastor and Flock Become Catholics

The journey back - Dr. Beckwith explains his reasons for returning to the Catholic Church

Famous Homosexual Italian Author Returned to the Church Before Dying of AIDS

Dr. Francis Beckwith Returns To Full Communion With The Church

Catholic Converts - Stephen K. Ray (former Evangelical)

Catholic Converts - Malcolm Muggeridge

Catholic Converts - Richard John Neuhaus

Catholic Converts - Avery Cardinal Dulles

Catholic Converts - Israel (Eugenio) Zolli - Chief Rabbi of Rome

Catholic Converts - Robert H. Bork , American Jurist (Catholic Caucus)

Catholic Converts - Marcus Grodi

Why Converts Choose Catholicism

The Scott Hahn Conversion Story

FORMER PENTECOSTAL RELATES MIRACLE THAT OCCURRED WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD

34 posted on 07/04/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Notwithstanding

BTTT! It’s always great to hear about the military chapels! Thank you!


35 posted on 07/04/2007 1:51:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: highlander_UW

Hopefully men who cnverted to Catholicism can also join your Catholic Men’s Group, not just the cradle Catholics.


36 posted on 07/04/2007 1:54:02 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: bethelgrad

**, a handful of scholars converting to RCC **

There are many regular converts here on The Religion Forum too.

God bless you in your misled information and lead you to the truth.


37 posted on 07/04/2007 1:56:26 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Hopefully men who cnverted to Catholicism can also join your Catholic Men’s Group, not just the cradle Catholics.

Of course, as well as people who have never heard of the catholic church...it was just a coincidence, although a couple have aversion to organized Christianity rooted in their catholic backgrounds, and one in particular struggles with legalism. But that's just the group I'm in, I'm sure there are groups with people who struggle with those issues that had no contact with catholicism...which is to say, catholics don't have that market cornered, people from all backgrounds can struggle with the same issues.

38 posted on 07/04/2007 2:14:24 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: highlander_UW

I noticed since I worked from the botton up that this is a Protestant group. Not funny that you did not mention it in your reply. Honesty, honesty, honesty.

Sorry about my mistaken post.

Hopefully everyone knows that they can return to the Catholic Church at any time. All they need to do is find a priest they can talk with and make an appointment for the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession)

It would also be helpful to them if they were to attend a class for Returning Catholics. The one at our church is entitled, “Catholics Can Come Home Again.” Hoever, there are several with different names.


39 posted on 07/04/2007 2:22:59 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: bethelgrad

Be careful, remember how you received the scriptures.

As you say, and this goes for all, unless you know Christ, you can’t love him. It’s a relationship.

Barnicles of Tradition? (shakes head)
I’m shocked, at least I thought you would say you had a different definition of tradition...

For some reason, some think the scriptures preclude Tradition. What did everyone do while waiting for the letters of Paul and the gospels?

What would Paul say re: his words of grace converts souls?
I bet he would speak of his own conversion and what drove him. Paul himself does not give grace. But you knew that.

Pleased to speak with a Bethel grad.


40 posted on 07/04/2007 2:29:01 PM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it. To Harry Reid: See me, feel me, touch me, bite me.)
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To: Kathy Ann
I could have written most of that article from personal experience. It defines my journey fairly well and why I love my faith as a Catholic and will be eternally thankful to have finally ended up home.

Welcome Home!

I maintain a Catholic ping list. Please freepmail me if you would like to be added to it.

41 posted on 07/04/2007 3:13:06 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: randog
We both felt better after that, and we've since left the good-time, rock-and-roll church (and have heard since that many others have done likewise).

We live in a society that actively promotes "me, myself and I". It's all about feelings and not infrequently, Catholics grow 'bored' with their Sunday liturgy and seek something livelier. Yet another aspect of introspective feelings.

Those Evangelical pastors who take their faith seriously, occasionally end up discovering the Truth. One such pastor was Alex Jones. In his attempt to deliver to his congregation a Sunday celebration resembling the one celebrated by the early christians, dug deeper and into the Early Church Fathers. The result? Read his story below.

Pastor and Flock Convert to Catholicism

42 posted on 07/04/2007 3:22:07 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: ears_to_hear
I left for purely doctrinal reasons.

Care to enumerate them? We would all be most appreciative. Thank you!

43 posted on 07/04/2007 3:25:00 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: bethelgrad; Frumanchu
a handful of scholars converting to RCC does not a movement make

The influx of Protestants into the Catholic Church goes well beyond handful. The majority of them are highly educated theologians and pastors.

I can assure you that I have personally led many of yours to a personal relationship with Christ. All I do is read them the scriptures. The words of grace spoken of by Paul do more than remove the barnacles of “tradition,” they convert the soul.

Despite what you may believe, "ours" already have a personal relationship with Christ through the Sacrament of Baptism. If anything, you are leading them into fallacy. Then again, you would not be the first one to do so.

How I Solved the Catholic Problem

44 posted on 07/04/2007 3:35:45 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: ears_to_hear
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

And that's why I have given up participating in the mega threads (the ones that end up with a couple of proddies arguing with a couple of Catholics). I realize that if the proddies' eyes aren't opened by the Holy Spirit, they will never understand the truth. Far better to pray for them than to waste time arguing with them.

45 posted on 07/04/2007 3:52:22 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: ears_to_hear

I thought I could reconcile my new faith in Christ as my Savior with Catholicism .
___________________________
“Born again” was my starting point that led to my becoming Catholic. It hasn’t gone away because I became Catholic. Even in the worst Catholic parish I’ve been in, we were still taught that we were saved by Christ - the atoning death of God’s Son on the cross.

I understand that people do have doctrinal differences with the RC church, but I have never seen anything to back up Protestant or Evangelical assertions that churces teach we are saved by works or by confession and absolution.

Mrs VS


46 posted on 07/04/2007 4:18:05 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Frumanchu

So which is it? Theological reasons or because of inadequacies in the local church? Many people go church shopping these days, often times they leave to find a church that fits their worldview instead of living up to God’s law, to have their ears tickled.


47 posted on 07/04/2007 5:15:13 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: markomalley

Amen to that brother!


48 posted on 07/04/2007 5:25:12 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Jaded; markomalley

dittos


49 posted on 07/04/2007 5:35:43 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Salvation
I noticed since I worked from the botton up that this is a Protestant group. Not funny that you did not mention it in your reply. Honesty, honesty, honesty.

How dare you suggest I was dishonest! You post like a liberal. You misunderstand my post, you accuse me of lying. I stated nothing but facts and did not intend the truth to be understood as anything other than that.

Sorry about my mistaken post.

That would be this most recent post of yours.

Hopefully everyone knows that they can return to the Catholic Church at any time. All they need to do is find a priest they can talk with and make an appointment for the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession)

My devotion is to Jesus, not the catholic church. Although I'm sure all the men in the group I mentioned grasp that they could return to catholic church I'm quite certain that none would wish to do so. A number of still trying to overcome problems experienced in the catholic church. In following back the roots of the various problems is how we learned that every one had been raised in the catholic church.

It would also be helpful to them if they were to attend a class for Returning Catholics. The one at our church is entitled, “Catholics Can Come Home Again.” Hoever, there are several with different names.

I'm sure you mean well. You won't be seeing any of this group attending that class...none see the catholic church as home, all have their eyes on Jesus.

50 posted on 07/04/2007 5:55:02 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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