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Episcopal priest or Muslim? Redding will have a year to think about it
Seattle Times ^ | Thursday, July 5, 2007 - 12:00 AM | Janet I. Tu

Posted on 07/06/2007 10:58:55 AM PDT by fgoodwin

The Rev. Ann Holmes Redding, a local Episcopal priest who announced she is both Muslim and Christian, will not be able to serve as a priest for a year, according to her bishop.

During that year, Redding is expected to "reflect on the doctrines of the Christian faith, her vocation as a priest, and what I see as the conflicts inherent in professing both Christianity and Islam," the Rt. Rev. Geralyn Wolf, bishop of the Diocese of Rhode Island, wrote in an e-mail to Episcopal Church leaders.

During the next year, Redding "is not to exercise any of the responsibilities and privileges of an Episcopal priest or deacon," Wolf wrote in her e-mail.

In June, she announced publicly that, for the past 15 months, she's also been a Muslim — drawn to the faith after an introduction to Muslim prayers left her profoundly moved.

But others were critical, saying it wasn't possible to be both Christian and Muslim. And some took issue with her being a leader within the Episcopal Church while also professing another faith.

Some also saw Redding's announcement as another sign that the Episcopal Church was veering too far away from Scripture, doctrine and tradition. The Episcopal Church, which is the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion, is already embroiled in deep conflict with the Communion over scriptural interpretation on issues such as homosexuality and the ordination of women.

She believes she has not violated any of her baptismal or ordination vows. And "since entering Islam," she said, "I have been, by my own estimation, a better teacher, a better preacher and a better Christian."

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TOPICS: Current Events; Islam; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: apostasy; apostates; christian; ecusa; episcopagans; episcopalchurch; episcopalpriestess; heresy; heretics; islam; muslims; religiousleft; tec

1 posted on 07/06/2007 10:58:58 AM PDT by fgoodwin
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To: fgoodwin

I recall that a former head of the NAACP - Benjamin Chaves? - declared himself a Christian and a Moslem at the same time and was forced out. It is nonsense to state that you can faithfully belong to two different religions.


2 posted on 07/06/2007 11:04:17 AM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: fgoodwin

“..she is both Muslim and Christian, will not be able to serve as a priest for a year..”

Why is she still called and Epicopalian? Pretty lenient sentence.


3 posted on 07/06/2007 11:08:39 AM PDT by 353FMG (America, first, last and always.)
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To: fgoodwin

“Some also saw Redding’s announcement as another sign that the Episcopal Church was veering too far away from Scripture, doctrine and tradition”

Wooaa there! Lets not overreact. /sarcasm


4 posted on 07/06/2007 11:35:24 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: fgoodwin
Episcopal Church was veering too far away from Scripture, doctrine and tradition.

Their stool is scripture, tradition and reason

5 posted on 07/06/2007 11:39:25 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: fgoodwin
She is foolish to believe that she can worship
the Elohim of Israel and at the same time
worship Allah, who is haSatan.
b'shem Yah'shua

6 posted on 07/06/2007 11:51:18 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

Advice for this “priestess”-

Ezekiel 14:6
“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices


7 posted on 07/06/2007 12:05:04 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Augustinian monk
Amen !

8 posted on 07/06/2007 12:30:44 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: fgoodwin

Kudos to the Rt. Rev. Geralyn Wolf.

My Parish Priest had his hold orders removed about ten years back, for refusing to break off a relationship with a married woman. So it can happen.


9 posted on 07/06/2007 12:38:51 PM PDT by gridlock (Righty Tighty / Lefty Loosey)
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To: gridlock

hold = holy

D’oh!


10 posted on 07/06/2007 12:39:14 PM PDT by gridlock (Righty Tighty / Lefty Loosey)
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To: ichabod1
I think she flunks the reason test, as well.
11 posted on 07/06/2007 12:40:25 PM PDT by gridlock (Righty Tighty / Lefty Loosey)
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To: fgoodwin
She believes she has not violated any of her baptismal or ordination vows.

That's what whats-his-name, that Episcopal priest a couple years ago who turned Druid, said.

"since entering Islam," she said, "I have been, by my own estimation, a better teacher, a better preacher and a better Christian."

Yeah, right.

12 posted on 07/06/2007 12:43:01 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: gridlock
Then there's the very old ditty, as follows...

Roses are reddish,
Violets are blueish
If it wasn't for Jesus
We'd all be Jewish..

13 posted on 07/06/2007 12:50:14 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: fgoodwin

What a flippin’ idiot! Islam doctrinally denies the divinity of Jesus Christ. It claims that the crucifxion and Resurrection of Christ were both frauds and this idiot ‘priestess’ thinks she can be both Episcopalian and muslim?? She’s lost.


14 posted on 07/06/2007 1:15:39 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: juliej
It is nonsense to state that you can faithfully belong to two different religions.

I am a Christian and a baseball fan.

15 posted on 07/06/2007 1:24:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

You have a point!


16 posted on 07/06/2007 2:28:43 PM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: fgoodwin
The Rev. Ann Holmes Redding, a local Episcopal priest who announced
she is both Muslim and Christian, will not be able to serve as a
priest for a year, according to her bishop.


I'm suprised the Episcopalian Church would be harsly....
....JUDGEMENTAL!!!

I suspect the head honchos view Ms. Holmes fence-straddling as
"insurance fraud"...trying to avoid being burned alive (more likely
decaptiated) by Muslims in this life...
and having "fire insurance" for the afterlife by virtue of her
Christian "identity".
17 posted on 07/06/2007 2:35:23 PM PDT by VOA
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To: fgoodwin

Kudos to the Seattle Times, for covering this news story merely factually, without portraying her as a victim.


18 posted on 07/06/2007 3:31:49 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
drawn to the faith after an introduction to Muslim prayers left her profoundly moved.

I rest my case.

Coming Vatican Doctrinal Document Will Reaffirm Role of Church

19 posted on 07/06/2007 3:49:23 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: ichabod1
Episcopal Church was veering too far away from Scripture, doctrine and tradition.

Their stool is scripture, tradition and reason

Our local loons changed that to "scripture, reason, and experience", the better to mislead the inattentive and lukewarm.

And poor Richard Hooker never said anything of the sort, anyhow. They just made it up out of a statement in the Ecclesiastical Polity where he said that Scripture is paramount, then tradition, and when BOTH those are silent, ONLY THEN may one resort to reason.

20 posted on 07/06/2007 3:54:25 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: fgoodwin; All
Oh, it gets more complicated almost immediately.

Redding is "canonically resident" in the Diocese of Rhode Island -- this bishopess with an actual backbone is her titular bishop only.

The bishop of the Diocese of Washington (I think) where Redding is actually physically located, thinks her double-mindedness is just fine and dandy. Redding naturally prefers the "authority" of her local bishop, and has declared that she will not obey her canonical bishop.

It's about to get really interesting here.

So glad I am now just watching the train wreck and no longer in one of the passenger cars.


21 posted on 07/06/2007 3:58:55 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: fgoodwin

As Mark Steyn said (paraphrased) “I should have known the first female imam would be an Episcopalian”


22 posted on 07/06/2007 4:23:38 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (take my governor, please)
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To: Huber

Please ping your Anglican list.


23 posted on 07/06/2007 4:34:12 PM PDT by fgoodwin (Fundamentalist, right-wing nut and proud father of a Star Scout!)
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To: VOA
I'm suprised the Episcopalian Church would be harsly.... ....JUDGEMENTAL!!!

I'll bet it makes the Rev. Imam Redding feel real bad too.

24 posted on 07/06/2007 4:48:49 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Augustinian monk
Wooaa there! Lets not overreact. /sarcasm

lol.

25 posted on 07/06/2007 6:50:18 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Life is an episode of Green Acres. THEN you die.)
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To: fgoodwin; Huber; sionnsar

Truly amazing news!

The Rt. Rev. Geralyn Wolf, bishop of the Diocese of Rhode Island has decided that the big tent of TEC actually does have a limit and that freedom to believe almost anything does not in fact include everything.

This news coming the same week as the ELCA’s decision to expel an non-chaste partnered gay Pastor may cause the left to believe that the sky is falling!

Wonderful news indeed!


26 posted on 07/07/2007 2:04:35 PM PDT by lightman (If false accusation was rare it wouldn't be in the Ten Commandments!)
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To: ahadams2; blue-duncan; brothers4thID; sionnsar; Alice in Wonderland; BusterBear; DeaconBenjamin2; ..
Thanks to lightman for the ping.

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FReepmail Huber or sionnsar if you want on or off this moderately high-volume ping list (sometimes 3-9 pings/day).
This list is pinged by Huber and sionnsar.

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Humor: The Anglican Blue

Speak the truth in love. Eph 4:15

27 posted on 07/07/2007 2:17:34 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar

Join a mosque and get a year to think about it. Join CANA and you are immediately dismissed.


28 posted on 07/07/2007 2:23:03 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: ichabod1
Their stool is scripture, tradition and reason

That has been thrown out as being too exclusive. The new stool is a process of discerning the will of the Holy Spirit for a couple of hours and then taking a vote.

29 posted on 07/07/2007 4:00:16 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: sionnsar

I’m a little confused. The first bishop from the Seattle area (where she prayed as a Muslim and pretended to be an Episcopal priest) accepted her being Muslim, but a bishop in Rhode Island suspended her. How does the Rhode Island bishop have jurisdiction over her?


30 posted on 07/07/2007 4:44:04 PM PDT by Saint Reagan
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To: fgoodwin
She should have said she was Episcopalian, Muslim and gay. I'm sure they would have promoted her.
31 posted on 07/07/2007 4:52:51 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Saint Reagan

It said she was still canonically resident in Rhode Island. I guess there’s some transfer that didn’t occur, for some reason. I’ve not heard of anything like this before.


32 posted on 07/07/2007 5:07:36 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: lightman; AnAmericanMother; sionnsar; Huber; aberaussie; kosta50; FormerLib

NEITHER issue is over yet!!!!

For the muslim-Episcopalian priestess, see post #21 (thanks to AnAmericanMother). This priestess’ local “bishop” is not alone in liking the idea of an Episcopal “priest”-muslim, because of the abject dhimmitude of the ECUSA. And the ELCA, especially the more liberal synods such as my own, is also thoroughly dhimmi, even though there are no pastor-muslims that I know of. Our synod assembly just voted to begin dialogue with muslims, even though they have none with Orthodox Christians.

As for the “Gay” Bradley Schmeling case, and the resolutions to change ELCA rules about “partnered” “gay” pastors and “gay blessings”, all of that will be before the ELCA Churchwide Assembly in August, as we discussed on another thread.

So the left is still very much pushing their agenda, and it will be a very hot August in Chicago. But it’s hard for me to figure why they are so keen on backing islam, since the extremist muslims despise everything the leftists stand for.


33 posted on 07/07/2007 5:34:11 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: fgoodwin; HarleyD; TommyDale; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; shaggy eel; My2Cents; jumpdrive; ...

Holy hand grenades, batman! The episcopal church is actually disciplining someone?


34 posted on 07/07/2007 7:35:56 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: juliej
It is nonsense to state that you can faithfully belong to two different religions.

Now if only they'd discipline homosexuals. (*at LEAST the practicing ones)

35 posted on 07/07/2007 7:37:26 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: XeniaSt

amen, brother.


36 posted on 07/07/2007 7:39:18 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Honorary Serb
But it’s hard for me to figure why they are so keen on backing islam, since the extremist muslims despise everything the leftists stand for.

It is simply an example of the old rule that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." The objective of the left is continued deconstruction of Western civilization. With this in mind, a little dhimmitude would be viewed as a good thing.

37 posted on 07/08/2007 4:33:17 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: XeniaSt

Sir Salman Rushdie certainly nailed it, didn’t he?


38 posted on 07/08/2007 4:33:49 AM PDT by Marauder (ˇViva! Sir Salman)
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To: neodad
She should have said she was Episcopalian, Muslim and gay. I'm sure they would have promoted her.

I think you're getting to the heart of the matter. What do Muslims do to homosexuals? What does the Episcopalian church think about homosexuality? These people have a problem.

39 posted on 07/08/2007 4:48:32 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: fgoodwin
Can anyone explain to me the supervisory difference between Bishop Wolf and Bishop Warner in this matter?

Also, after these few weeks of controversy, is Bishop Warner still singing the same tune?

From the earlier story (6/17/07):
Redding's bishop, the Rt. Rev. Vincent Warner, says he accepts Redding as an Episcopal priest and a Muslim, and that he finds the interfaith possibilities exciting. Her announcement, first made through a story in her diocese's newspaper, hasn't caused much controversy yet, he said.
[emphasis mine]

40 posted on 07/08/2007 7:32:15 AM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Terriergal

The “mainstream” religious groups are self destructing. My friends who are Episcopalian are pretty devout and have no patience for this nonsense.


41 posted on 07/08/2007 5:04:54 PM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: lightman; AnAmericanMother; sionnsar; Huber; aberaussie; kosta50; FormerLib
Correction: The issue of the priestess-muslim IS settled. Apparently, she was ordained by a bishop of Rhode Island. Thus, under the arcane rules of the ECUSA, even though she serves under the bishop of Washington state, the bishop of Rhode Island has authority to discipline her. You Anglicans please correct me if I am wrong.

However, the issue of "Gay" Bradley Schmeling is NOT settled!!!!

Nor is the issue of the alledged "compatibility" of islam and Christianity realy settled, among Episcopalians and Lutherans. My own (revisionist) ELCA pastor once preached a sermon, in which he cited one of his muslim friends. That "friend" took one of the passages of the Qu'ran that states that islam is the only path to Paradise, and translated "islam" as "this submission". According to that translation, a Christian may attain to Paradise if he/she "submits" to God. That sounds like a transparent case of Al Taqqia to me!!!!

As the result of that sermon, one of our members, a theologically unsophisticated woman, left our congregation and joined the only Wisconsin Synod Lutheran church in our entire region. Ironically, the more theologically learned orthodox members of our congregation, including yours truly, just grumbled to each other and stayed put.

I think that Jesus said something about the simple "getting it" faster than the supposedly learned, which applies in at least some cases, including this one. But most of us "learned" orthodox folks didn't know where else to go, and most still don't.

42 posted on 07/08/2007 5:09:02 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb
It is not correct that a priest who is ordained by a particular bishop remains subject to that bishop forever.

In this case, the priestess is still "canonically resident" in Rhode Island. That simply means that her clerical letters remain in that diocese. The relevant canon is as follows:

Of Letters Dimissory

Sec. 4. (a) A Priest desiring to become canonically resident within a Diocese shall present to the Ecclesiastical Authority a testimonial from the Ecclesiastical Authority of the Diocese of current canonical residence, which testimonial shall be given by the Ecclesiastical Authority to the applicant, and a duplicate thereof may be sent to the Ecclesiastical Authority of the Diocese to which transfer is proposed. The testimonial shall be accompanied by a statement of the record of payments to The Church Pension Fund by or on behalf of the Priest concerned and shall be in the following words:

I hereby certify that A.B., who has signified to me the desire to be transferred to the Ecclesiastical Authority of _____, is a Priest of in good standing, and has not, so far as I know or believe, been justly liable to evil report, for error in religion or for viciousness of life, for the last three years. (Date) (Signed)

(b) Such a testimonial shall be called Letters Dimissory. If the Ecclesiastical Authority accepts the Letters Dimissory, the canonical residence of the Priest transferred shall date from such acceptance, and prompt notice of acceptance shall be given to the applicant and to the Ecclesiastical Authority issuing the Letters Dimissory.

(c) Letters Dimissory not presented within six months of their date of receipt by the applicant shall become void.

(d) If a Priest has been called to a Cure in a congregation in another Diocese, the Priest shall present Letters Dimissory. The Ecclesiastical Authority of the Diocese shall accept Letters Dimissory within three months of their receipt unless the Bishop or Standing Committee has received credible information concerning the character or behavior of the Priest concerned which would form grounds for canonical inquiry and presentment. In such a case, the Ecclesiastical Authority shall notify the Ecclesiastical Authority of the Diocese in which the Priest is canonically resident and need not accept the Letters Dimissory unless and until the Priest shall be exculpated. The Ecclesiastical Authority shall not refuse to accept Letters Dimissory based on the applicant's race, color, ethnic origin, sex, national origin, marital status, sexual orientation, disabilities, or age.

Apparently this priestess violated the Canons by failing to apply for letters dimissory when she took a position in Washington State. But having failed to do so, she is still under the jurisdiction of the Bishopess of R.I.

43 posted on 07/08/2007 6:04:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: pgkdan
The very obvious point that Christianity hinges on the divinity of Christ is denied by a good part of liberal Episcopalians. Ex Bishop Spong even denies the existence of a physical God.

How a Christian denomination can get so far away from the core of the faith is the tragedy of our times. Heresy is not easy to stop without many hurt feelings.

44 posted on 07/09/2007 8:16:45 AM PDT by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: juliej

Good. I agree. There’s a small remnant that are being very rapidly disillusioned with most church ‘activity’ since it’s more like a circus than worship or ministry anyway.


45 posted on 07/12/2007 11:43:13 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: x_plus_one
Heresy is not easy to stop without many hurt feelings.

We all know that to cause hurt feelings is a cardinal sin!

46 posted on 07/12/2007 11:44:02 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal

My Episcopalian friends are very spiritual and devout and are not happy with what has happening but are not going to leave, either. Many of them are ex Catholics.


47 posted on 07/12/2007 2:11:54 PM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: Terriergal

My Episcopalian friends are very spiritual and devout and are not happy with what has happening but are not going to leave, either. Many of them are ex Catholics.


48 posted on 07/12/2007 2:11:56 PM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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