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To: CA Conservative

the entire trib time frame is NOT referred to as the wrath of deity. only the bowls of wrath are related specifically to divine wrath.

believers suffer through the tribulation for believers are specifically mentioned in the tribulation time frame. i’ll leave that to your homework to find them. they are there. they are the ones beheaded, etc. so go to it. have fun. enjoy the study.


40 posted on 07/08/2007 9:42:45 AM PDT by tnarg
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To: tnarg; CA Conservative
believers suffer through the tribulation for believers are specifically mentioned in the tribulation time frame. i’ll leave that to your homework to find them. they are there. they are the ones beheaded, etc. so go to it. have fun. enjoy the study.

We are mentioned and we will be there but we won't be beheaded. Christ certainly wouldn't behead us and neither can Satan.

1Chronicles 16:22 Saying, "Touch not Mine anointed, And do My prophets no harm."

The only way he can harm us is with deception and if we are sealed with God's Word and know the truth then he can't touch us.

Rev.9:4 (Satan's tribulation) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5.And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months; and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man

It is my belief that the reference to those that were beheaded are to those that have died before us, as in the Roman times and of course to any who are murdered for their Christian beliefs today. They come to earth with Christ and join those that didn't take the "mark of the beast" during his tribulation.

Ca Conservative wrote: But the Tribulation is directly described as the wrath of God on the world. If the Church (His Bride) will be here during that time, then it will receive His wrath as well, since many of the plagues and judgments are world-wide in their scope...

His bride and wife will be here (we have work to do) and the earth is in for a big shaking but remember the tribulation we must worry about is Satan's, not the one of Jesus Christ - He loves us. Think about how He protected his own during the flood, during the Exodus, how Daniel wasn't hurt when he was in the lion's den, how the 3 Hebrew children weren't harmed in the fire. Those are our examples so we know He would never harm us but the condition is that we do not follow Satan. If we do, even unknowingly, then we are no longer a child of God but of Satan.

Another point to consider is that when Jesus arrives at His 2nd Advent, 7th trump (after Satan's), then:

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1Corinthians 15:52)

So...How much will we experience?

45 posted on 07/08/2007 11:22:01 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: tnarg
the entire trib time frame is NOT referred to as the wrath of deity. only the bowls of wrath are related specifically to divine wrath.

You are, of course, makng a distinction between the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation and the last 3-1/2 years, often referred to as the Great Tribulation. Does that mean you believe in a mid-tribulation rapture? If you are post-trib, or don't believe in a rapture at all, then you must believe that He will allow His Bride to suffer his Wrath... I'm just interested in how you support that scripturally.

believers suffer through the tribulation for believers are specifically mentioned in the tribulation time frame. i’ll leave that to your homework to find them. they are there. they are the ones beheaded, etc. so go to it. have fun. enjoy the study.

Ah, yes, but are those who were believers prior to the Tribulation, or do they become believers during the Tribulation?

By the way, I've done quite a bit of study on the subject, so please try not to come across as condescending. We may come to different conclusions, and neither of us will know for sure who is right until Christ returns, but we still need to treat each other with Christian love and respect.

47 posted on 07/08/2007 11:45:57 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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