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Vatican reiterates hardline on primacy of Catholic Church
Philippine Star ^ | 7/10/2007

Posted on 07/10/2007 6:03:29 AM PDT by markomalley

VATICAN CITY (AFP) - The Vatican set itself on a collision course with other Christian faiths Tuesday, reaffirming the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church in a corrective document designed to clear up recent "erroneous" doctrine.

The document's central claim that the Catholic Church is "the one true Church of Christ", is likely to revive a debate which has dogged the Vatican's dealings with other Christian faiths for decades.

Other Christian faiths "lack elements considered essential to the Catholic Church," it said.

The 16-page text -- released by the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and ratified by the pope -- "constitutes a clear reaffirmation of Catholic doctrine on the Church," according to an attached commentary.

Basically a restatement of bedrock Vatican doctrine, its release was prompted "because some contemporary theological research has been erroneous or ambiguous," the commentary said.


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1 posted on 07/10/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Our Lord founded one Church ... not many, despite what others wish to believe.


2 posted on 07/10/2007 6:07:07 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Amen.


3 posted on 07/10/2007 6:08:16 AM PDT by tioga (I'll take Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson for President. Pick one.)
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To: NYer
Our Lord founded one Church ... not many, despite what others wish to believe.

*************

Absolutely correct. Prepare for incoming. :)

4 posted on 07/10/2007 6:10:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
Our Lord founded one Church ... not many, despite what others wish to believe.

And one "pillar and foundation of the truth."

1 Timothy 3:15

if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.


5 posted on 07/10/2007 6:12:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: markomalley

I appreciate our current pope’s frankness and directness. It’s very refreshing in the age of spin.


6 posted on 07/10/2007 6:13:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: markomalley
The Holy Father's on a roll.

May God Bless his worthy servant, the Servant of the Servant's of God.

7 posted on 07/10/2007 6:15:52 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.


8 posted on 07/10/2007 6:17:35 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: bigcat32
Ephesians 2: 8,9

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

9 posted on 07/10/2007 6:23:14 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Bosco

Amen. God Bless all Christians regardless of denomination!


10 posted on 07/10/2007 6:25:28 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: NYer

Viva il Papa!


11 posted on 07/10/2007 6:28:37 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: bigcat32
Romans 16:16 -

"Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you."

12 posted on 07/10/2007 6:29:32 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: markomalley

The rest of us don’t care what some old dude in a funny hat says from thousands of miles away ;). I am, of course, trolling there. As a non-denominational Christian, it doesn’t matter to me if any church declares itself supreme. I believe that Christ is my savior and I’ve been baptised. That’s all I need.


13 posted on 07/10/2007 6:32:19 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: Aquinasfan

I was watching EWTN’s special last night on the Latin Mass. When one of the priests mentioned that TLM’s format is set and that there cannot be any deviation from it, I was struck with the thought of how politcally incorrect this will be...What about the feelings of the poor altar girls, the tamborine players, the drummers, and et al? It’s amazing to see policy decisions being made without regard to political correctness.


14 posted on 07/10/2007 6:33:20 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Bosco
Romans 5:1,2 -

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God."

15 posted on 07/10/2007 6:33:39 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Bosco

Out of context.....

1 I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is (also) a minister of the church at Cenchreae,
2
that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the holy ones, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a benefactor to many and to me as well.
3
Greet Prisca and Aquila, 3 my co-workers in Christ Jesus,
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who risked their necks for my life, to whom not only I am grateful but also all the churches of the Gentiles;
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greet also the church at their house. 4 Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the firstfruits in Asia for Christ.
6
Greet Mary, who has worked hard for you.
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Greet Andronicus and Junia, 5 my relatives and my fellow prisoners; they are prominent among the apostles and they were in Christ before me.
8
Greet Ampliatus, my beloved in the Lord.
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Greet Urbanus, our co-worker in Christ, and my beloved Stachys.
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Greet Apelles, who is approved in Christ. Greet those who belong to the family of Aristobulus.
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Greet my relative Herodion. Greet those in the Lord who belong to the family of Narcissus.
12
Greet those workers in the Lord, Tryphaena and Tryphosa. Greet the beloved Persis, who has worked hard in the Lord.
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Greet Rufus, 6 chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.
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Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas, and the brothers who are with them.
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Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the holy ones who are with them.
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Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.

(hint, all of those people headed “churches” and all were of the same faith)


16 posted on 07/10/2007 6:35:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Bosco

Yes, referring to the local church communities.


17 posted on 07/10/2007 6:35:09 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: NYer
I don't buy it. Never have, never will.

I don't need to go through a pope to talk to God.

18 posted on 07/10/2007 6:35:20 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: Aggie Mama

Did you see the call from the guitar player, asking what his role would be in TLM?

The priest from the panel said, “Get a missal and participate, but there is no room for guitars at the TLM!”


19 posted on 07/10/2007 6:37:17 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: lonestar

>>I don’t need to go through a pope to talk to God.<<

*snicker*
Neither do I, or any Catholics.
Is that what you think we do? Get on the Popephone to talk to God?


20 posted on 07/10/2007 6:38:48 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Aggie Mama

The guitar player got no encouragement nor the lady who was concerned about extra ordinaries on the altar. Altar girls a thing of the past?

Now we will see who comes first to the priest, the Holy Father or socials and friends in the Church hall?


21 posted on 07/10/2007 6:39:48 AM PDT by franky1
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To: netmilsmom
*snicker* Neither do I, or any Catholics. Is that what you think we do? Get on the Popephone to talk to God?

In a way, you are. As you have things decided for you about how you will worship and the words you use. These are the ultimate responsibility of the Pope.

22 posted on 07/10/2007 6:40:52 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: markomalley
I went to an elite Private Catholic High School. We were taught that doctrine. We were also taught that we shouldn't bring Protestants to the Proms, that Jews were at the bottom of the list and could never get to heaven. We were told that if one were Catholic, they were obligated to vote for JFK. I was temporarily suspended for saying that was ridiculous..

We were shipped on a bus with red and white striped hats in hand. What did JFKL say?? Not much. The accent was overwhelming and that's all you heard.

When I told my dad about my day, he informed me about Bootleg Joe and that was my first real lesson in politics. It was 1960 or 1961.

Lest I forget...Kisses under the count of 10 were venial sins. Over that...straight to hell!

23 posted on 07/10/2007 6:42:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Bosco
Matthew 12:25 KJV And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Pope Benedict knows that the battle against radical Islam requires Christianity to be united. If we are too busy arguing over John 6, how are we going to notice the devil that has just slipped into our house?

24 posted on 07/10/2007 6:42:10 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: EarthBound
In a way, you are. As you have things decided for you about how you will worship and the words you use. These are the ultimate responsibility of the Pope.

And this is a problem because...? Yes, the Mass and prayers like the Liturgy of the Hours are pre-defined, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It allows us to pray the Scriptures in a manner that we may not be able to otherwise. Also, it allows a continuity of worship from place to place and from time to time.

Also, Catholics are quite free to pray extemporaneously on our own, or in groups outside of Mass, if we so choose.

25 posted on 07/10/2007 6:46:13 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: markomalley
You guys keep going on and claiming that.

Meanwhile, the Southern Baptists have been more of a Godly influence in the World for the past fifty years than the entirety of the worldwide RCC.

Meanwhile, those heretical Anabaptists like the Amish and the Mennonites are first on the disaster scene and actually DEMONSTRATE their Christianity by the way they help out the victims; while RCC priests are ... where, exactly?

26 posted on 07/10/2007 6:51:18 AM PDT by ikka
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To: GCC Catholic
Also, Catholics are quite free to pray extemporaneously on our own, or in groups outside of Mass, if we so choose

I know that, I married into a Catholic family. I attend Mass on a weekly basis, though we go to the Life Teen with a live band and a lot of singing. For me worship is a vast majority of singing, and it should be.

27 posted on 07/10/2007 6:51:42 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: GCC Catholic

>>Also, Catholics are quite free to pray extemporaneously on our own, or in groups outside of Mass, if we so choose.<<

Amen!
I have never gotten a call from the Vatican when I got together with other Christians to pray for schools. Not a single Hail Mary was said there.

My Popephone must be out of order!


28 posted on 07/10/2007 6:52:27 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: NYer

One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic bump....


29 posted on 07/10/2007 6:53:29 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic bump....

When we do the Prayer of the Faithful in Mass, I skip that line.

30 posted on 07/10/2007 6:56:28 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: ikka

Here’s one for a start.....
http://www.huongduong.org/giaoxu/tintuc/VoA%20092605.htm

Do a Google search on “Catholic aid (any disaster)”. You’ll see.

The problem is that we are already there and helping while the Amish and Mennonites have to travel to a disaster. Makes a better news story too.

The MSM only covers Catholics when they are doing something wrong. And that is the same for almost ANY Chirstian group. You don’t see the Youth Groups of any denomination rebuilding. Ours has been going since the hurricane. Borrowing parishioners rvs to go.

You don’t see THAT on the news. Only the buggies.


31 posted on 07/10/2007 7:01:06 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Frumanchu; topcat54
Same story, other sources & headlines....

The Earth Times:
Vatican document reaffirms Catholic Church's supremacy
Forbes/Associated Press:
Pope: Other Christians Not True Churches
Monsters & Critics:
Vatican document reaffirms Catholic Church's supremacy
Washington Post/Reuters:
Vatican says other Christian churches "wounded"
Australian Broadcasting Corp.:
Vatican hits 'wounded' Christian churches
International Herald Tribune:
Vatican repeats other Christian denominations are not true churches

32 posted on 07/10/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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To: Bosco
I cracked up when I read that verse. That is a glaring example of making your own personal interpretation of scripture fit whatever situation you want it to. Since it suits your purposes the plural MUST mean different denominations rather than the ONE Church connected by a common belief and liturgy to the other churches taught by Paul.

How many denominations do you think that Paul started and corresponded with?

33 posted on 07/10/2007 7:03:21 AM PDT by tiki
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To: markomalley

“So tell me, how many divisions does the Pope have?”

Joseph Stalin


34 posted on 07/10/2007 7:08:02 AM PDT by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I was taught that if you swim in a pool with a boy, you could get pregnant.

Good thing we’re past all that stuff.


35 posted on 07/10/2007 7:11:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: ikka

Our priests are not the whole church. And, in Catholic school, I was taught not to hide my light under a bushel, but also not to toot my own horn. I bet you have no idea how many Catholic high school students have been taking their spring breaks and Christmas vacation to work on Katrina relief in the south.

We just do it, we don’t have to brag about it and call a press conference. Come to think about it, neither do the Amish and the Mennonites.


36 posted on 07/10/2007 7:11:43 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: markomalley
The document's central claim that the Catholic Church is "the one true Church of Christ", is likely to revive a debate which has dogged the Vatican's dealings with other Christian faiths for decades. Other Christian faiths "lack elements considered essential to the Catholic Church," it said.

A Church which believes that it was commissioned by Christ and possesses the totality of truth.

Imagine that.

It shouldn't be necessary to say this but it's probably worth pointing out that any Church which does not believe this has no business hanging out its shingle and needs to fold its tent and cease operations.

37 posted on 07/10/2007 7:12:54 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: EarthBound

I guess everyone in your church services worships and says different things all at the same time? In Mass, I participate with the liturgy and prayers of the Mass but when I am not at Mass I pray and worship any way I want and use any words I want. Some people are just absurd in their prejudices.


38 posted on 07/10/2007 7:13:57 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Alex Murphy

Trent is alive and well.


39 posted on 07/10/2007 7:14:29 AM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: franky1

>>Now we will see who comes first to the priest, the Holy Father or socials and friends in the Church hall?<<

Sucker’s bet in some parishes.
We just went “Up North” last week. We attended a parish that pulls the kids for “Children’s Liturgy of the Word” The whole parish gave the “Nazi salute” to “bless” the kids before they left. Yikes!
My girls, who never have this “ministry” at home, wanted to go. I said okay. UNTIL I realized that they were not coming back for the offertory! I had to run and get them before they missed Holy Mass!

I said no more “Children’s Liturgy of the Word”!


40 posted on 07/10/2007 7:15:56 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: blu
We just do it, we don’t have to brag about it and call a press conference. Come to think about it, neither do the Amish and the Mennonites.

Actually, the Amish call these press conferences all the time, but with no recording or broadcast equipment present, the news never gets anywhere. =P

41 posted on 07/10/2007 7:18:13 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: tiki
I guess everyone in your church services worships and says different things all at the same time?

No, I attend a Catholic church. So as far as I can tell, just I do it.

In Mass, I participate with the liturgy and prayers of the Mass but when I am not at Mass I pray and worship any way I want and use any words I want.

Same here.

Some people are just absurd in their prejudices.

Okay, I'll bite, how am I being "prejudiced" rather than simply disagreeing with Catholics?

42 posted on 07/10/2007 7:18:35 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: Oberon

Naw, it’s just that the Amish have cooler cars than we do, makes for better pictures!


43 posted on 07/10/2007 7:19:28 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: markomalley; Unam Sanctam

Dignatitis Humanae can’t really be read correctly without Dominus Ieusus. It was flawed that way. This is an even stronger restatement. They shouldn’t have had to over-correct like this had DH been complete.


44 posted on 07/10/2007 7:20:48 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: netmilsmom
The whole parish gave the “Nazi salute” to “bless” the kids before they left. Yikes!

I visited a parish where they did that... I wasn't expecting it, so it was quite the shock. No other parish I've seen that has Children's Liturgy of the Word has done that.

I'm not going back there... and I'm not encouraging anyone to go there either.

45 posted on 07/10/2007 7:22:13 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: EarthBound

OK, I’ll bite... how come?


46 posted on 07/10/2007 7:22:18 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: Oberon

Oh, and I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention “The Budget”. They’ve no need for press conferences, every settlement has a scribe and you can read about it in the paper every Wednesday. No pictures, of course:)


47 posted on 07/10/2007 7:22:33 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
OK, I’ll bite... how come?

Just don't agree with that statement.

48 posted on 07/10/2007 7:23:43 AM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: markomalley
Put me in the '....to good to be true....' category. The Vatican is a past master in the 'pull-push' game. The old give with one hand while taking with the other is the history of this 'ecumenical' conciliar church.

Said differently: its declarations/proclamations are as illusive as a county fair greased pig.

Ecclesia Militans

We are in a spiritual war against the army of Satan. Put on the armour of Faith. Consecrate yourselves totally to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Wear the Brown Scapular. Pray the Rosary everyday.


49 posted on 07/10/2007 7:25:19 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Frumanchu
Another popish flip-flop. Someone must have adjusted Benny's God-O-Meter to "conservative" this week.

There is only one antodote to such foolishness ... the true Word of God established in our hearts by the Spirit of Christ Himself.

Simple ones, who have some taste and relish of popish superstition (for many such there be in the land), do suck from the intoxicated drugs of conformity, the softer milk which makes them grow in error. And who can be ignorant what a large-spread Popery, Arminianism, and reconciliation with Rome, have taken among the arch-urgers of the ceremonies? What marvel that Papists clap their hands? for they see the day coming which they wish for. Woe to thee, O land, which bears professed Papists and avouched Atheists, but cannot bear them who desire to abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thess. 5:22); for truth and equity are fallen in thee, and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey (Isa. 59:14, 15). (George Gillespie, English Popish Ceremonies: TO ALL IN THE REFORMED CHURCHES)
Christ alone is the head of His Church, not the "bishop of Rome" or any such pretender.
50 posted on 07/10/2007 7:26:29 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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