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To: Alex Murphy
The Roman Catholic Church does not deny that Christ is working redemptively through Protestant and evangelical churches, but it does deny that these churches which deny the authority of the papacy are true churches in the most important sense.

BIN-GO. This guy nailed it.

2 posted on 07/13/2007 8:57:58 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud
His sacramental theology plays a large role in this concern, for he believes and teaches that a church without submission to the papacy has no guaranteed efficacy for its sacraments.

Well, this one's a bit off. The papacy has nothing to do with the efficacy of the sacraments, as should have been clear by his mention of the Eastern Orthodox churches.

The efficacy of the sacraments has to do with a valid *priesthood* through Apostolic succession.

5 posted on 07/13/2007 9:00:48 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud; Alex Murphy
BIN-GO. This guy nailed it.

Yes, he gets it. Whether or not he agrees with conclusion that the document brings, he sees the reason it was written and appreciates that. That is the position that some of the Orthodox Churches have been approaching it with too (the Romanian Patriarch excepted). It's a position that lets us finally start talking intelligently, instead of trying to appease each other with meaningless theological mush.

10 posted on 07/13/2007 9:31:57 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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