Posted on 07/14/2007 6:29:17 PM PDT by NYer
Sounds very bad where you are. No Transfiguration? Never heard that one before. After all, it’s one of the new Luminous Mysteries proclaimed by the previous Pope.
What do you mean about miserly with absolution? Something like they have confessions once a month from 3:10 to 3:35 on a Saturday, so it’s practically impossible to go?
“Something like they have confessions once a month from 3:10 to 3:35 on a Saturday, so it’s practically impossible to go?”
Yeah, and boy, you ought to see the hatred in their eyes when you tell them that’s miserly.
No. And there is no Adoration Room, whatever that is.
altar....my apologies...it was late when I was posting last night and I definitely did not get the gift of good spelling:)
For instance, I went to Mass with my sister-in-law who has Altzheimer's and her son who is mentally handicapped and the lector asked everyone to prayerfully prepare for Mass when suddenly Father "Bob" jumped out from the back of the church and shouted,"Or you could turn to your neighbor and introduce yourself." After that he told a few jokes and later in the homily he advised us to never feel that we are less than perfect because "God is in us." Upon leaving the church I shook his hand and was going to say something to him but he looked glassy eyed so I was too shocked to say anything.
Oh yes and there is no kneeling in these churches whatsoever.
Only if you believe that God values lockstep adherence to the form over the Mass more than He values a church full of people who are there to worship Him to such an extent that he would actively deny His Grace. I don't happen to believe God values form over function. And if you think that's Protestant, so be it.
He also said that if the masses are that bad, I don’t have to go.
I don't understand why an orthodox priest would give you advice to disregard one of your obligations as a Catholic. Seems to me that he is just as in the wrong as the priests who play fast and loose with the Mass.
I saw this last night and decided not to comment. It sounded quite out of the ordinary, however.
I would raise the issue that one reason His Holiness has decided to free up the TLM is to force, in time, orthodoxy on the N.O. Masses. This is why the Ecclesia Dei Commission was formed and it will be central to this effort.
People will, in time, have a choice, NYer. They can decide not to come—to go to a nearby TLM. I believe if you read Pope Benedict’s letter to the Bishops on the Motu Proprio, you’ll see that he himself is “grieved” by the abuses. All his writings on the Liturgy mirror this sentiment; it is not news to anyone! His answer is to open an avenue “to the right”, to a Mass that was never abrogated. And, as I have said over and over, Napoleon’s maxim for this is “Pas d’ennemis a droit!” (No enemies lie to the right!).
Frank
So, I guess I’m going to find out what the SSPV’ers do on those other 3 Sundays. But I won’t jump till I check it out quite thoroughly (as in no pope bashing), and also maybe do a mail survey of the area churches that are close enough to drive to and don’t look like a lecture hall at the community college.
Bummer!
Come on, I think we all know those cups and chalices weren’t consecrated. Ant the reason they weren’t was because they had a big crowd err... congregation to ‘serve’ and they thought, what’s the difference.
I don’t see it as idolatry, I see it as denial of the Real Presence.
Is that a POLE????? Please tell me that isn’t a pole in the second to last picture.
I had never realized this was true, until my son-in-law pointed it out this morning after we'd attended the Tridentine Mass my wife and I usually attend. I think this is one thing in which the Novus Ordo represents an improvement. When an OT passage is read, it is usually linked in some obvious way with the Gospel of the day.
The SSPV'ers are sedevacantist, so good luck with the "no pope bashing"...
I pray and Mom prays.
I was in the choir of my former NO parish, where I was catechized. We were placed behind the altar, on each side of the tabernacle. The sacristy would be just to my left behind a curtain. The purification would be accomplished by the EMEs with a great deal of clattering and banging and water running and chattering. Used to infuriate me. I didn’t even know they weren’t supposed to be doing it, but their casual attitude itself was enough.
At my Anglican Use parish, we are in the choir loft, our rightful province. We DO sing a ‘communion song’ after our anthem, but we don’t call it a song, and it is a regular hymn. While we sing it the priest and deacon perform the purification in plain sight of the faithful.
Communion is only by intinction and on the tongue. I really appreciate that because as a recovering alcoholic I didn’t like swigging the (white) wine from the ‘chalice’ at my old church. I appreciate receiving in both kinds without having to consume alcohol.
For all lurkers, it can’t be said too many times that the Anglican Use is completely part of, ‘subsists in’ if you will, the Roman Catholic Church under the local ordinary (Bishop). AU is not a “rite” or a separate church like the Maronites, Melkites, and the rest. It’s largely composed of a bunch of former Episcopalians who wanted to go Roman, but didn’t want to have to attend the Novus Ordo which is in many ways more crazy than what the piskies do. So we have some of the lovely Thomas Cranmer BCP litany during the Liturgy of the Word, but the Mass is strictly the Roman Canon.
I went to the TLM a couple of weeks ago, for the first time in a year or so. It made me very appreciative of my regular church, and the fact that we use the Roman Canon in the vernacular. I KNOW it now, and when I’m following along with the priest in the TLM while he’s praying it silently, I’m united with him because it’s like an old friend now, like a comfortable pair of shoes.
Unfortunately the people themselves often prefer the happy-clappy music. At my former liberal parish (which did do some things right) the music director had it worked out to where we would do one nice anthem in latin, and compromised by doing one Rutter type methodist song. It was odd juxtaposing a beautiful rendition of Ubi Caritas with For the Beauty of the Earth, but it kind of worked.
Well, you kind of have to walk out sometimes, don’t you? We’re not supposed to receive the Eucharist with malice in our hearts, so if something royally p!$$es me off I think it’s best to just go and try again next week lest we eat and drink unworthily.
Our former priest put a garden bathtub in our church. We were horrified, we begged him not to and when he left and the new priest came he didn’t want to make waves by removing the bathtub. I assured him that he would be the hero of our parish if he would PLEASE remove it. Thank goodness it is long gone now.
No, can't say I have heard of him but he will probably wend his way into a news article in The Evangelist, at some point in time.
I am from LI. There are still a few good priests in the Rockville Centre Diocese. Makes me wonder why they shipped Fr. "Bob" up to Albany.
the lector asked everyone to prayerfully prepare for Mass when suddenly Father "Bob" jumped out from the back of the church and shouted,"Or you could turn to your neighbor and introduce yourself."
Oh brother! It's a sad day when the lector has a better understanding of how to prepare for Mass than the priest. There is plenty of time after Mass to shake hands and introduce oneself.
Oh yes and there is no kneeling in these churches whatsoever.
Is that because there are no kneelers? I've attended Mass several times in Churches without kneelers. I knelt on the floor.
I had breakfast the other day with a very devout old priest, his brother and a close friend. During the course of the conversation, the subject of priestly ordinations surfaced. The priest's brother said he attended a meeting two years ago, at a parish where the pastor was retiring and being replaced with a Lay Ecclesial Minister. When it was time for Q & A's he asked the bishop why it was the Albany Diocese only had 3 ordinations that year by comparison to the Omaha Diocese (much smaller) with 40+. The bishop responded that he was more selective. BTW - of the 3 priests ordained by the Albany Diocese that year, 1 had a pony tail down to his waist and another was divorced; his marriage was annuled because he was a homosexual. Fr. "Bob" should fit in just fine in this diocese.
Zero. I am the only registered RC in the parish. The organist is a former RC who decided to formally switch rites about 15 years ago. The remainder of the families are, for the most part, of Lebanese extraction.
Father and I believe that once we move to the 'future' church (a 150 y/o Methodist Episcopal Church), we will pick up more RCs, most of whom are livid at the bishop for closing 5 of their 6 parishes. He is considering offering the Novus Ordo Mass along with the Maronite Divine Liturgy. This potentially poses a problem for any priest assigned to the parish in the future. Not all Maronite priests are bi-ritual.
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