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Phony Mahony & the Homosexual Priest Cover-Up
American Vision ^ | 7/17/2007 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 07/18/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by topcat54

Cardinal Roger Mahony has announced that the Church will pay out $660 million to more than 500 victims of sexual abuse by priests. It’s the Catholic Church’s failure to act swiftly and decisively on the matter that has disillusioned and enraged church members and victims. No one likes a cover-up, especially religious devotees who believe the church is a means of salvation and priests are mediators between the people and God. But there remains a more sinister cover-up.

The Church must come to grips with reality and admit that the priesthood is so dominated by homosexuals that Paul Wilkes, who studied 600 parishes for his book Excellent Catholic Parishes: A Guide to Best Places and Practices, makes this telling observation, “If we drove all the gay priests out of the priesthood, our Masses would be on videotape.”1

I find it interesting that all the sexual abuse is done exclusively by pedophiles, seemingly a heterosexual malady. Are we to believe that not one case of sexual misconduct can be attributed to a single homosexual priest? There are anywhere from 8,000 to 22,000 homosexual priests. If the priesthood is made up of such a high percentage of homosexuals, then it stands to reason that at least a high percentage of the church’s so-called pedophile problem is really a homosexual problem.

The church’s unbiblical, illogical, and irrational policy that priests must not marry and remain celibate is being blamed for the sexual scandal. Such an argument is off the mark. Has anyone noticed that the priests aren’t, in 95 percent of reported cases, having sex with teenage girls? The male priests are having sex with young male parishioners. The problem of sex abuse is not because of celibacy; it’s homosexuality. Homosexual men are becoming priests because that’s where young, impressionable, and vulnerable boys are found. Of course, the idea that priests should remain unmarried is a religious fiction given that priests in the Old Testament were married and had children (Ex. 6:23), and Peter, the supposed first pope, was also married (Matt. 8:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; cf. 1 Tim. 3:4–5).

The Roman Catholic Church has had a difficult time recruiting men to the priesthood. Homosexuals see this as an opportunity. Why not go where there’s an almost unlimited supply of young boys whose parents consider priests to be god-like? Are we surprised that the Boy Scouts have also become a target of homosexuals? Once again, it’s where boys can be found for recruitment purposes. Liberals attack the Scouts for not opening its leadership ranks to admitted homosexuals, while these same critics attack the Catholic Church for giving “pedophile priests” easy access to children of the same age.
           
Catholics are taught that priests and nuns are spiritually special and set apart for God’s work. I can still remember sitting in my fifth grade class at St. Germaine’s Catholic School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, when Father Hugo would enter the class. Sister Mary Josephine would always ask, “Who wants to be a priest when he grows up?” Only one boy, my best friend at the time, Salvatore LaMarca, refused to raise his hand. Of course we wanted to be a priest. Being a priest was a one-way ticket to heaven. It was like getting a “Get out of Hell Free” card.

Devout families—and predator priests frequently chose their victims from the most ardent parishioners—had been taught for generations to exalt, respect and trust priests. Who could imagine dear Father Tim—who came to dinner, played with the kids, counseled mom, acted like a dad—would do something so sinful? Doubting the priest would cost you your spiritual security.2

It’s no accident that early Hollywood designated the priest as the most trusted of film characters. Spencer Tracy, Bing Crosby, and Pat O’Brien made their careers with movies like Angels with Dirty Faces, Boys Town, Going My Way, and The Bells of St. Mary’s. Every parish dreamed of having a Father Flanagan for its priest or a priest who just looked like Pat O’Brien. Notice that almost in every case the priest was a friend and confidant to young boys. It came with the territory. Parents always knew their children were safe with a priest.

Film-making in the early years was nearly dominated by Jews, as Neal Gabler describes in his highly informative book An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood. Even so, Catholic clergy were almost universally depicted as decent and caring spiritual leaders. Louis B. Mayer “was a close friend and a great admirer of New York’s Cardinal Spellman, with whom he dined every time he visited New York, and a large portrait of Spellman in his red vestments was the first sight that greeted visitors to Mayer’s library.”3 It was the church’s “respectability” that impressed Mayer. “If a character appeared on screen wearing a clerical collar it served as a sure sign that the audience was supposed to like him.”4
           
Toby Westerman reports, “A gay culture is growing among clergy of the American Catholic Church that receives support from members of the hierarchy as well as from those directly involved in the training of priests, according to a Catholic priest-theologian.”5 The Vatican has found it nearly impossible to police its seminaries. Much of the problem is a lack of will and fear of a backlash from an already depleted clergy.
           
There has been a redirection of focus from a discussion of homosexuality to pedophilia, a nearly universally despised predatory behavior. The charge of pedophilia is being used as a smoke screen by homosexuals to fly under the sexual radar. While the general public excoriates the pedophiles among us, the homosexuals go merrily along debauching young men in the name of sexual tolerance.

In the April 1, 2002 issue of U.S. News & World Report, homosexuality was mentioned only once in the eight-page article on the Catholic sex crisis. Rev. Joel Garner, pastor of a Catholic church in Albuquerque, New Mexico, is quick to point out in the article that “the pedophilia problem has nothing to do with celibacy or homosexuality.”6 Throughout the article, the sex scandal is called a “sex-abuse scandal,” “youth-sex-abuse,” “sexual misconduct,” “predatory sexual behavior,” but never a homosexual problem. Author Marianne Szegedy-Maszak, confuses the readers of U.S. News even more (on purpose?) when she reports, “Despite the common image of a priest sodomizing a 9-year-old altar boy, most of the priest abusers are technically ‘ephebophiles’—that is, they abuse adolescents rather than children.”7 In any other dictionary, the description of an ephebophile would be a practicing predatory homosexual.

The article begs the question. It’s not just “adolescents” who the priests are abusing, it’s adolescent boys. If pedophilia is the problem, then why aren’t the priests having sex with young girls in the church? The church is covering up its crisis to save its reputation, and it’s no less true that thesereporters are covering up for the homosexual rights movement. John Leo, an editorial writer for U.S. News, touches on the real issue when he writes that true pedophiles are rare, and the super majority of the priests involved in this sex crisis are not pedophiles. “But the church is reluctant to mention the distinction,” Leo writes, “most likely because opening up the issue of sexually active gay priests is itself explosive, even apart from charges of abuse.”

The homosexual lobby is so powerful and intimidating that almost no one wants to suffer from its unbridled wrath. So for cover, the priests are charged with pedophilia in order to hide the fact that homosexuality is the real culprit.


Notes
1. Cathy Lynn Grossman, “Hot under the collar: Gay Catholics angry, say they’ve been singled out,” USA Today (April 25, 2002), 9D.

2. Johanna McGeary, “Can the Church Be Saved?,” Time (April 1, 2002), 31.

3. Neal Gabler, An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood (New York: Crown Publishers, 1988), 285.

4. Michael Medved, Hollywood VS. America: Popular Culture and the War on Traditional Values (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1992), 51. Roman Catholic and Episcopalian clergymen (e.g., Life with Father and The Bisho’s Wife) were most often chosen to represent the church because they were easily identified because of their clerical garb, most specifically a special collar. Most Protestant clergymen wear no special attire. They generally look like businessmen.

5. Toby Westerman, “Suffer the Children: ‘Gay’ culture in Catholic Church grows Priest says scandal really about homosexuality, not pedophilia,” World Net Daily (March 24, 2002).

6. Angie Cannon and Jeffery L. Sheler, “Catholicsin Crisis,” U.S. News & World Report (April 1, 2002), 57.

7. Marianne Szegedy-Maszak, AChastity and lust: Is there a psychological link between sexuality, celibacy, and predation?,” 55.

8. John Leo, “Of rage and revolution,” 12.


Gary DeMar is the President of American Vision.

Permission to reprint granted by American Vision P.O. Box 220, Powder Springs, GA 30127, 800-628-9460.


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1 posted on 07/18/2007 1:48:14 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...

Great Reformed Ping List


2 posted on 07/18/2007 1:52:03 PM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: topcat54
The Church ***needs***to ascertain who each of the Preists are, buy them a goat and formally convert them to Islam, where that kind of crap is viewed as OK. If they can clear it with PETA and with Zawahiri, they can save a bundle.
Oh. Yeah. The “vics”
Forgot about the Vics. Nevermind.
3 posted on 07/18/2007 1:53:20 PM PDT by Gideon T. Reader ("The PALESTINIANS: A proud history of mindless violence since 1964.")
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To: topcat54
I'm sure it will come up on this thread, so consider this a preemptive strike....

The most-often posted numbers of "Protestant" abuse are two Catholic-run websites. They provide a deeply biased, an apples vs oranges comparison using all manner of non-Catholic groups, as opposed to the Catholic church's own numbers as provided by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. If one isolates the cases actually committed by clergy out of the above "Protestant" articles, and then compares like-for-like with the numbers provided in the U.S. Catholic Bishops' "John Jay" study, it can be demonstrated that there are approximately four times as many Catholic priests and clergy who are sexually abusive, than the number of "Protestant" pastors guilty of the same. And if you isolate out the Reformed Protestant denominations from those other articles, the number of "Protestant" abuse cases statistically drops off the chart by comparison.

I'm not saying that either set of statistics are inaccurate or deliberately falsified. I'm just saying that the Catholic-provided numbers of "Protestant" cases, if accepted at face value and if I've understood them properly, paint a far worse picture on the Catholic side than most Catholics are probably aware of.

4 posted on 07/18/2007 2:20:17 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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To: Alex Murphy

I just made some popcorn and I’m going to sit in the corner and watch you be ripped apart. Sorry. On another thread, I made a comment about apologizing for all the murders condoned by the church and only narrowly escaped with my life.


5 posted on 07/18/2007 2:25:43 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Ratzaz! There. I do give one about something.)
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To: Alex Murphy
The most-often posted numbers of "Protestant" abuse are two Catholic-run websites.

The post you linked to did not cite two "Catholic-run websites". One citation was to an article from the Christian Science Monitor, which is not remotely Catholic.

approximately four times as many Catholic priests and clergy who are sexually abusive, than the number of "Protestant" pastors guilty of the same

The relevant statistic would be the percentage, not the raw number.

Phillip Jenkins is not a "Catholic-run website"; he's a professor of comparative religion at Penn State. His book concluded that the percentage of abusers was essentially the same in every denomination.

6 posted on 07/18/2007 2:40:35 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: topcat54

Supposedly in the 60s the current Pope said “the smoke of Satan” has entered the Catholic Church - he was almost right - it was “the pole smokers of Stan” !!!


7 posted on 07/18/2007 2:41:00 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Campion; topcat54
The post you linked to did not cite two "Catholic-run websites". One citation was to an article from the Christian Science Monitor, which is not remotely Catholic.

On that point you are correct, and I will correct the statement on future posts. It is, however, the CSM piece that paints the bleakest picture for the Catholic Church once you compare apples to apples with the John Jay study. The presentation is cooked with a bias towards the Catholic Church - I can't tell if it's the author, or the actual study that serves up the anti-Protestant bias. Getting perfect scores in my Masters-level Statistics courses taught me to spot statistical slight-of-hand, and they're all over the CSM piece. That's the reason I previously stated the CSM piece was Catholic propaganda, and if it's not, it's certainly being used as ammo.

8 posted on 07/18/2007 3:00:49 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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To: topcat54
Great article, TC.

The homosexual lobby is so powerful and intimidating that almost no one wants to suffer from its unbridled wrath. So for cover, the priests are charged with pedophilia in order to hide the fact that homosexuality is the real culprit.

Yep. Just ask Mike Ovitz and Isaiah Washington.

9 posted on 07/18/2007 4:16:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy
You need to provide verifiable proof that either one of those sites that I frequently hyperlink are "Catholic-run". Is Newsmax also a "Catholic-run" site which has exposed the sexual abuse cases that take place in public schools, which greatly outnumber the number of cases involving criminals masquerading as Catholic Priests? Incidentally, people like you and the "let them marry" cabal around here never mention those crimes.

if I've understood them properly

Therein lies the problem. You don't understand.

10 posted on 07/18/2007 4:16:43 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; fortheDeclaration; Uncle Chip; ears_to_hear

purple ping


11 posted on 07/18/2007 4:17:17 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Alex Murphy; topcat54; Religion Moderator
Therein lies the problem. You don't understand.

Please stop making personal comments. Discuss the topic and not the poster.

12 posted on 07/18/2007 4:19:38 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54
Of course, the idea that priests should remain unmarried is a religious fiction

Of course, DeMar wears his ignorance of both Scripture and the history of Christendom on his sleeve.

13 posted on 07/18/2007 4:20:19 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Campion; topcat54; Alex Murphy
His book concluded that the percentage of abusers was essentially the same in every denomination.

That's absurd. When the Presbyterians or the Lutherans or the Methodists in Los Angeles pay out $774 million to settle sexual molestation lawsuits, then you might have a point.

There are plenty of Roman Catholics on this forum rightly castigating these licentious, sociopathic priests who don't feel compelled to resort to the lame and fraudulent excuse that "everyone does it."

Everyone doesn't do it.

14 posted on 07/18/2007 4:25:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
“If we drove all the gay priests out of the priesthood, our Masses would be on videotape.”

If you buy some official wafers and put them on top of your TV and played the video, would you get a real transubstantiation?

How would you know?

15 posted on 07/18/2007 4:25:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: ikka

Stan who?


16 posted on 07/18/2007 4:58:33 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Alex Murphy

“The data on the Protestant clergy tend to focus on sexual abuse in general, not on sexual abuse of children. Thus, strict comparisons cannot always be made. But there are some comparative data available on the subject of child sexual molestation, and what has been reported is quite revealing.

In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii] In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member. The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior.[xiv]

In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner.[xv] Two years later, a survey by Leadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior” with a parishioner.[xvi]

In a 1993 survey by the Journal of Pastoral Care, 14 percent of Southern Baptist ministers said they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual behavior,” and 70 percent said they knew a minister who had had such contact with a parishioner.[xvii] Joe E. Trull is co-author of the 1993 book, Ministerial Ethics, and he found that “from 30 to 35 percent of ministers of all denominations admit to having sexual relationships—from inappropriate touching to sexual intercourse—outside of marriage.”[xviii]

According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas, “The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.” The report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for physicians and psychologists.”[xix] Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.[xx]

In the spring of 2002, when the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was receiving unprecedented attention, the Christian Science Monitor reported on the results of national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources. The conclusion: “Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.”[xxi]

Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.[xxii]”

SEXUAL ABUSE IN SOCIAL CONTEXT:
CATHOLIC CLERGY AND OTHER PROFESSIONALS

Special Report
by
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights

February 2004


17 posted on 07/18/2007 5:05:14 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: topcat54
The Church must come to grips with reality and admit that the priesthood is so dominated by homosexuals that Paul Wilkes, who studied 600 parishes for his book Excellent Catholic Parishes: A Guide to Best Places and Practices, makes this telling observation, “If we drove all the gay priests out of the priesthood, our Masses would be on videotape.”1

This is a stunning admission.

18 posted on 07/18/2007 6:59:50 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: WriteOn; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; ...
In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii] In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically "conservative" pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member. The figure jumped to over 40 percent for "moderates"; 50 percent of "liberal" pastors confessed to similar behavior.

LOLOL. Those are the most absurd, unsubstantiated lies I've ever read on this forum.

The RCC can just keep telling themselves these lies and insisting "everybody does it" and the sexual molestation and homosexual activity within the RCC clergy will continue.

Nothing's stopped it so far.

19 posted on 07/18/2007 7:36:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: WriteOn; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; ...
Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.

ROTFLOL.

And 35% were abducted as children by Venusian spaceships.

it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.

We really have to remember this post because this ludicrous garbage is what the RCC is telling its members.

With lies like this which blithely dismiss the grave and specific sins of the RCC clergy, no children is safe under its roof.

20 posted on 07/18/2007 7:44:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; WriteOn; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration; ...

All this sex going on, then there MUST be huge awards out there against protestants far exceeding this judgement against just the LA Diocese of the RCC.

Also, there’s no comparison between homosexual molestation of kids and adolescents, and a heterosexual fling between adults.

The difference: homosexuality is an abomination according to the bible.


21 posted on 07/18/2007 7:45:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
Either way they're all lies. None of those idiotic accusations are substantiated. You're right, of course. The payouts would be enormous. And yet they don't exist.

The few RC voices on this forum denouncing the RCC lies and cover-ups and protection and advocacy of homosexuality have been rare, but most welcome. Those are the voices who will stop this disease, if it can be stopped.

22 posted on 07/18/2007 7:49:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

You never answered my FReepmail!!!


23 posted on 07/18/2007 7:51:21 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Uncle Chip

The priesthood is no longer dominated by the homosecuals. There is testing of seminarians, and if the get through that and other conclusions are drawn by supervisors, then they are kicked out of the seminary.

Very often, the seminarians themselves kick them out by making the life of the homosecuals quite miserable.


24 posted on 07/18/2007 7:55:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Frumanchu; 1000 silverlings

Meant to ping you to 19 and 20.


25 posted on 07/18/2007 7:56:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: xzins

**there MUST be huge awards out there against protestants **

As far as I know, Catholics don’t take joy in another’s misfortune. Instructions of Christ himself.


26 posted on 07/18/2007 7:57:13 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

**Those are the voices who will stop this disease, if it can be stopped.**

It is already being stopped, thanks to Pope Benedict and inspections of all seminaries.


27 posted on 07/18/2007 7:58:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; xzins; topcat54
No one is "taking joy" in any of this "misfortune."

But to even call these terrible sins "misfortune" is to diminish it ...again and again and again.

28 posted on 07/18/2007 8:01:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

the john and ken show on kfi am 640 today

made the point that roger maphony will probably stay

because 70% of the catholic church in los angeles is

latino, and they support maphony.

maphony got his start up in the valley with cesar chavez,

and maphony supports illegal immigration.


29 posted on 07/18/2007 8:01:37 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: Salvation

I sure hope you’re right, S. I’m looking forward to the day when we have this all cleaned up and the lavenders will hate us more than ever because we won’t let them in our ranks. We’ll be hated like the BSA, only seventy times seven as much.

None of us around this site defend Mahorny and we’d like nothing better than for God or the Pope to call him home. These payouts by the church with money THAT IS NOT THEIRS makes me ill — I’m rather starving the church with my donations because I want to give enough to help them stay in business, but I don’t trust funding them for mission.


30 posted on 07/18/2007 8:02:28 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Salvation

Time will tell.


31 posted on 07/18/2007 8:02:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: ken21

His days are numbered. We have mandatory retirement.


32 posted on 07/18/2007 8:03:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ken21
I heard their show yesterday. They were livid. One of the plaintiff's attorneys was on and he was livid. And all three men were ex-Catholics.

They called Mahoney a "sociopath."

33 posted on 07/18/2007 8:04:50 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: ichabod1

i hope you’re right.


34 posted on 07/18/2007 8:09:56 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

i would agree with you.


35 posted on 07/18/2007 8:11:12 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: All
One thing is certain, when Mahoney reaches 75, he WILL have to retire, regardless of who supports him, it is mandatory. Pray that the Pope will find a good and holy man to be then the new Archbishop.
36 posted on 07/18/2007 8:24:10 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; WriteOn; P-Marlowe; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration

Under the settlement each victim will receive about $1.3 million for treatment and therapy. All of this money to keep Mahony off the stand so he would not be forced to testify about what he knew about the scandal and what he did, or didn’t do, in response.

To date the church has paid out over $2 billion for its pedophile sins so far with more payments to come.


37 posted on 07/18/2007 8:33:58 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
[.. Those are the most absurd, unsubstantiated lies I've ever read on this forum. ..]

Since the RCC priests are usually abusing RCC kids and young people, first.. Any denial is an abuse wish.. Hard draconian truth should be used instead..

One only wonders why this expose' is mostly limited to the United States.. It could be much worse in countrys that rarely or barely record and report child abuse.. like MEXICO, central and south America.. and Canada.. in this hemiphere..

In most of Africa being sexually abused as a child or adult is one their lesser problems.. as amazing as that sounds..

38 posted on 07/18/2007 9:04:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Biggirl
when Mahoney reaches 75, he WILL have to retire, regardless of who supports him, it is mandatory.

Actually, no, it is not. When a Bishop reaches 75, he has to tender his retirement to the Pope, but the Pope can choose to leave him in office past his 75th birthday.

39 posted on 07/18/2007 10:19:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Alex Murphy

Anecdotally, I suggest that such statatistics are meaningless, because they ignore the practrice in the protestant denominations is not to report offenders but to get them out of town. However, the abuse I have onserved in these denominations tends to be heterosexul. I agree that the whole scandal is owing to ther trap that the Church feel into in the 1970s when it lowered its standards to admission to the priesthood generally and the “gays” flocked in, warnly welcomed by the gay priests already there, who had a field day while orthodox priests were demoralized by the shattering of the traditional image of their vocation.


40 posted on 07/18/2007 10:41:05 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: blue-duncan
If past is precedent then each of the 'victims' will receive about 60% of the amount you calculated and the lawyers will split the other 40% among themselves.

This scandal is a boon to trial lawyers,who probably adore cardinal Mahony as well as the other bishops who lied,obfuscated and brought scandal to Christ and His Church.

41 posted on 07/18/2007 10:51:19 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: blue-duncan
Under the settlement each victim will receive about $1.3 million for treatment and therapy. All of this money to keep Mahony off the stand so he would not be forced to testify about what he knew about the scandal and what he did, or didn’t do, in response. To date the church has paid out over $2 billion for its pedophile sins so far with more payments to come.

The price for getting out of purgatory just went up!

42 posted on 07/18/2007 10:53:22 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: topcat54
Of course, the idea that priests should remain unmarried is a religious fiction given that priests in the Old Testament were married and had children (Ex. 6:23), and Peter, the supposed first pope, was also married (Matt. 8:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; cf. 1 Tim. 3:4–5).

Oops!!!!

44 posted on 07/19/2007 12:23:44 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: saradippity; blue-duncan; fortheDeclaration; xzins; PAR35; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; Forest Keeper; ..
If past is precedent then each of the 'victims' will receive about 60% of the amount you calculated and the lawyers will split the other 40% among themselves.

I listened to one of the plaintiff's lawyers yesterday who implied that the $1.3 million cash payout to each victim would be in addition to lawyers' fees which he pegged at over $650 per hour for the past five years (imagine the number of lawyers and billable hours during that time.)

If that's the case, the $660 million agreed to on Monday, coupled with the previously agreed to $114 million in L.A. brings the total payout by the RCC to $774 million PLUS legal fees.

45 posted on 07/19/2007 12:30:44 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54

ping


46 posted on 07/19/2007 12:32:58 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: hosepipe; Uncle Chip

ping to 45


47 posted on 07/19/2007 12:34:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: fortheDeclaration

That is one of the most hateful things I have ever read on this forum.


48 posted on 07/19/2007 12:39:14 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter
That is one of the most hateful things I have ever read on this forum.

We are talking about child abuse in the RCC and you think my post is hateful?

Give me a break.

Is that why it was yanked, because you complained about it?

49 posted on 07/19/2007 1:55:24 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To date the church has paid out over $2 billion for its pedophile sins so far with more payments to come.

If I knew that my offering to God was going for this, I'd stop giving. That is the quickest way to replace Mahoney or any other anti-bishop. And in these cases, make no mistake. The bishops are enablers to such a degree that they become advocates.

Put Mahoney on the stand, and we'll finally understand the beliefs behind the enabling actions.

50 posted on 07/19/2007 2:01:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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