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Robert Sungenis Censored by Bishop
Catholic Apologetics International ^ | 8/1/07 | Robert Sungenis

Posted on 08/01/2007 8:47:44 PM PDT by Augustine22

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To: vladimir998

I have no idea about it, vladimir. I have no idea what Sungenis will do with the imprimatur now that things might be working out.

Personally, I think it would be great if everything comes out in the wash. I like his early work a lot. But he’s made promises like this before, hasn’t he? Just pray he sticks by it this time.

I have his book Not By Bread Alone and he explained why he didn’t have an imprimatur. Do you have it? It has nothing to do with all of this Jewish stuff.


22 posted on 08/02/2007 9:35:58 PM PDT by Augustine22
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To: vladimir998

How is it such a great and humble thing that Robert Sungenis finally relented after being forced to by his bishop?

He could have saved EVERYONE a lot of embarrassment and heartache if he did this a LONG time ago.

Good for him, I guess.


23 posted on 08/02/2007 11:42:00 PM PDT by Dmetrius
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To: Augustine22

You wrote:

“I have his book Not By Bread Alone and he explained why he didn’t have an imprimatur. Do you have it? It has nothing to do with all of this Jewish stuff.”

Yes, I have the book. It’s good. I hope Sungenis can get the imprimaturs. He doesn’t need them, but they can’t hurt and it will help rehabilitate his image.


24 posted on 08/03/2007 7:29:59 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Dmetrius

You wrote:

“How is it such a great and humble thing that Robert Sungenis finally relented after being forced to by his bishop?”

I didn’t say anything about Sungenis’ actions being humble or great so I have no idea of what you’re talking about. Can you show me where I said what you are alleging?

“He could have saved EVERYONE a lot of embarrassment and heartache if he did this a LONG time ago.”

Maybe, but why are you addressing this to me when I didn’t say what you just said I did?

“Good for him, I guess.”

Yes, in the long run it will be.

Now, can you show me where I said what you allege?


25 posted on 08/03/2007 7:38:39 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Ooops! That wasn’t to you! I’m new at this. I think that was supposed to be to Unam. I think I see how you do this now.

Sorry.


26 posted on 08/03/2007 8:06:45 AM PDT by Dmetrius
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To: vladimir998

Vladimir998, I was doing some googling and came up with this. Is this you? You look like a Sugenis-camp guy if this is you at Catholic Answers Forums:

vladimir998
October 19, 2006
Regular Member

Originally Posted by bigdawg
Why don’t you guys just drop it?

(Vladimir998): I’m with you bigdawg. It seems that some of the most prominent apologists in the Church in America have a real axe to grind against Sungenis. Why? I’m not sure. I just see no point to this.

I like Sungenis’ books. I am eagerly awaiting his Bible study on Revelation. If anything I’ll buy it just to stick my finger in the collective eye of these people who seem determined to destroy Sungenis. (end)

I hope your out of that now, Vladimir. Sugenis was under interdict from his bishop and his bishop told him he had to take his anti-semitic stuff down or he would denounce Sungenis. It’s in Culture Wars magazine.

Sungenis changed the name of his organization to take the name Catholic out of it. There’s still serious problems there. If people can’t get that the guy is a problem, then there not thinking.

He’s bad news and I wouldn’t go near him with a 10 foot pole.


27 posted on 11/17/2007 12:01:39 PM PST by Dmetrius (Sungenis under interdict)
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To: Augustine22

Sungenis is really far out of the mainstream. For example, he thinks that women are required to cover their heads in church, which is not true.

Moral of this story: don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Just because some guy has a blog, it doesn’t mean that he knows what he’s saying or that he is truthful.


28 posted on 11/17/2007 1:35:28 PM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: Dmetrius

You wrote:

“I hope your out of that now, Vladimir.”

Out of what?

“Sugenis was under interdict from his bishop and his bishop told him he had to take his anti-semitic stuff down or he would denounce Sungenis.”

Quite frankly I don’t care about Sungenis past foibles. His books are excellent.

“It’s in Culture Wars magazine.”

I don’t subscribe.

“Sungenis changed the name of his organization to take the name Catholic out of it.”

He probably was told to remove the word ‘Catholic’. Quite frankly I don’t care if the word ‘Catholic’ is in the name of the organization.

“There’s still serious problems there. If people can’t get that the guy is a problem, then there not thinking.”

I always think. I just know whatever trouble he or his organization might have had in the past or even now it doesn’t have anything to do with me and it isn’t a blot on the Church or the Catholic faith.

“He’s bad news and I wouldn’t go near him with a 10 foot pole.”

I don’t think he’s bad news at all, and I would be more than happy to keep buying his books! I look forward to his commentary on James and Romans!


29 posted on 11/17/2007 4:23:40 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: steadfastconservative

You wrote:

“Sungenis is really far out of the mainstream. For example, he thinks that women are required to cover their heads in church, which is not true.”

Actually, if I am not mistaken, Sungenis says that it was in the 1917 Code and that it was a custom for which no canon law was ever put forward overturning it. Yes, the Code of 1983 superceded the 1917 Code, but it seems to me that it was still a long standing custom (over 1900 years!) and that there was no reason to overturn it. I attend the old Latin Mass and women wearing veils is a common sight.

“Moral of this story: don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Just because some guy has a blog, it doesn’t mean that he knows what he’s saying or that he is truthful.”

True enough, but Sungenis does have a worthwhile argument in favor of women wearing veils and it was certainly a venerable custom that should not have ended.


30 posted on 11/17/2007 4:27:08 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: steadfastconservative

Good point steadfast. People listen to too many kooks just because they act like they’re authorities or something.

And on the veils I read both sides. Women can wear them or not. It’s not a requirment. Sugenis writes like he thinks he a bishop or a prophet or something. He’s dangerous like a cult imo. And the way some people stick with him no matter what makes it even more like a cult to me. Its a cult way of looking at things, not Catholic.

When a bishop puts his foot down like he did with Sugenis (and the bishop’s got a real good conservative rep from what I read) there’s a very very big problem.

Sugenis lied about a lot of things and he can’t even get an imprimatur anymore. He’s just not honest, imo.

But some people are really into personalities. Not me! I’ll stay right in the bosom of the Church. Personalities are for cults, Jim Jones and guys like Sugenis and his followers. No thanks.


31 posted on 11/17/2007 6:28:29 PM PST by Dmetrius (Sungenis under interdict)
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To: vladimir998

So that was you there at Catholic Answers Forums? That explains a lot. No point in arguing any more! If you’re into cults, go for it.

Not me.


32 posted on 11/17/2007 6:28:30 PM PST by Dmetrius (Sungenis under interdict)
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To: Dmetrius

You wrote:

“If you’re into cults, go for it.”

I’m Catholic and I’m not interested in cults.

“Not me.”

What you’re not interested in is intelligence. Apparently all you want to do is attack Robert Sungenis. Have at it. It only shows us your character - or lack thereof.


33 posted on 11/17/2007 6:48:08 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Dmetrius

Not to worry. If someone calls all the things documented that Sungenis has written attacking Jews mere “foibles”, then that tells everyone more than enough about such a person.

The way that poor Shoeman convert was treated was so wrong.

http://www.pugiofidei.com/fraud.htm


34 posted on 11/17/2007 7:55:19 PM PST by Augustine22
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To: steadfastconservative

Point well taken, Steadfast (on bloggers, websites). Thanks!


35 posted on 11/17/2007 7:59:40 PM PST by Augustine22
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To: vladimir998
It is one thing to argue that women should wear veils in church, that it is more reverent, appropriate, etc. But it is another thing to argue that they must. The 1983 Code of Canon Law superseded the Code of 1917. Although the 1917 CCL required women to cover their heads in church (just as it required separate seating areas for men and women in church) the 1983 CCL does not require women to do so. Therefore, women are no longer required to cover their heads in church. Sugenis's views are opinion and nothing more.
36 posted on 11/18/2007 8:34:02 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: Dmetrius

Thanks.

People need to remember that a lot of blogs are just opinion and nothing more. Just because someone has a PhD after his name or styles himself to be a traditional Catholic, it does not mean that he writes or speaks with any authority on what the Church teaches. If he did, his diocesan bishop would not have ordered him to remove his supposedly “Catholic” comments about Jews from his website.


37 posted on 11/18/2007 8:37:44 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: Augustine22
It's too dang bad that Sungenis degenerated into anti-Semitism, discrediting his stands on creation and geocentrism. He and I actually used to correspond via e-mail.

While there is no connection between creationism and geocentrism (on the one hand) and anti-Semitism (on the other hand), the fact that all these doctrines are part of Catholic tradition makes it almost inevitable that any Catholic who takes the traditional position on creation/geocentrism will almost inevitably take it on the Jews as well.

38 posted on 11/18/2007 9:20:54 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' Ya`aqov ye'amer `od shimkha ki-'im Yisra'el; ki-sariyta `im-'Eloqim ve`im-'anashim vatukhal.)
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To: Augustine22

You wrote:

“If someone calls all the things documented that Sungenis has written attacking Jews mere “foibles”, then that tells everyone more than enough about such a person.”

You have no idea of what you’re talking about. His actions were examples of his foibles. I said nothing about the ideas he held.

Also, please note, Dmetrius’ account has been banned or suspended. I’m not sure why he was banned but you might want to think about it.


39 posted on 11/18/2007 9:29:59 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

There’s only one problem with your post:

“...the fact that all these doctrines are part of Catholic tradition...”

Anti-semitism is not a Catholic doctrine.

Also, geocentrism is not a Catholic doctrine.


40 posted on 11/18/2007 9:32:39 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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