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The Sign of the Cross
Catholic Education Resource Center CERC ^ | 2003 | FR. WILLIAM SAUNDERS

Posted on 08/10/2007 9:39:37 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Pyro7480; Iscool

I’ll defer to Iscool on that question.


41 posted on 08/13/2007 10:40:12 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: FormerLib
Good thing the Church you disdain assembled those New Testament books for you.

Or did they get that part wrong, too? Oh, dear!

Well, yes...Your church is wrong...And you are wrong for quoting your church...

Your church did compile a bible...In fact, most every bible out there in the English language is a Catholic bible...

However, the Bible I know to be the word of God is not a Catholic Bible...It is the KJV and is not based on your Catholic bibles...

So no, your church did not create nor give me my Bible...

42 posted on 08/13/2007 11:02:57 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: D-fendr
I’ll defer to Iscool on that question

You making stuff up again or are you quoting someone else??? You certainly aren't quoting anything I said...

43 posted on 08/13/2007 11:04:28 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: FormerLib
And denying the Cross will? I think not.

Does your statement have anything to do with the topic at hand???

44 posted on 08/13/2007 11:07:31 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Iscool
It is the KJV and is not based on your Catholic bibles...

So no, your church did not create nor give me my Bible...

Except that I'm not Roman Catholic, but the New Testament books of the Bible that you use was compiled by the Ecumenical Councils that were conducted and recognized by the Catholic Church.

By the way, are you asserting that the KJV did not translate from any Latin Bibles but only the Greek ones?

If so, what I said about the Ecumenical Councils still applies.

Ok, so you think they got all of the books of the Bible correct, at least!

45 posted on 08/13/2007 11:16:08 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Iscool
Does your statement have anything to do with the topic at hand???

Absolutely!

Perhaps you should read the referenced article again.

46 posted on 08/13/2007 11:17:17 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Iscool

It is the KJV and is not based on your Catholic bibles...

...I see...the KJV was based on something totally different and just happened to come up with the same NT books as our Catholic Bibles...just happenstance, I guess...coincidence is an amazing thing, isn’t it...


47 posted on 08/13/2007 11:19:13 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Iscool

Me? I’m just passing along the question.

“How can a church claim to be a “Biblical church” if it doesn’t believe in the Trinity?”


48 posted on 08/13/2007 11:22:08 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: FormerLib

By the way, are you asserting that the KJV did not translate from any Latin Bibles but only the Greek ones?...

...he can assert no such thing...of course the KJV was translated using primarily Greek and Hebrew texts, but the Vulgate was used as a secondary source to resolve certain translation difficulties in the Textus Receptus...


49 posted on 08/13/2007 11:34:07 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade
...the Vulgate was used as a secondary source...

That's how I understood my history of the KJV as well so the statement that no "Catholic Bible" was used is simply incorrect.

50 posted on 08/13/2007 11:35:54 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: D-fendr
“How can a church claim to be a “Biblical church” if it doesn’t believe in the Trinity?”

Well I don't believe it can...But remember, your church didn't have the Trinity figured out til about 350 A.D...

51 posted on 08/13/2007 11:53:41 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Iscool
Nonsense...People are saved by accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior...Understanding the process often comes later...

Great comment. Reminds me of what one of my friends said, "Sitting in a church doesn't make a person a Christian any more than sitting in a garage makes him a car." We have to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior first. Good works follow, not as a means to salvation (since all fall way short of the Glory of God) but as a loving expression of that salvation...and for the love of Him who gave us Himself.

52 posted on 08/13/2007 4:57:28 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: Iscool

The Trinity is not a process. If you disbelieve the Trinity, then you do not understand the Christian understanding of Jesus. If you do not understand this, then you cannot accept Him as your Saviour because you cannot know what it mean. If you do not accept Him as your Saviour, then you don’t get into Heaven.

There is no Biblical support for the concept that when two or three are gathered, then that is the authorization to create a new Church. And if one studies alone, does that preclude Jesus being there?

The Bible itself precludes private interpretation, at least mine does. Does yours/


53 posted on 08/15/2007 7:19:12 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr
There is no Biblical support for the concept that when two or three are gathered, then that is the authorization to create a new Church.

What are you talking about, a new church...

When two or more are gathered together, it IS the church...The church IS saved sinners wherever you find them...

You're confusing religion with church...

The 'church', the body of Christ, attend and belong to various 'religious' organizations such as the Baptist, the Reformed churches and even the Catholic churches...

The Bible itself precludes private interpretation, at least mine does. Does yours

Yes it does...And it even applies to that religion you belong to...

54 posted on 08/15/2007 7:49:36 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Trinity is not a process. If you disbelieve the Trinity, then you do not understand the Christian understanding of Jesus. If you do not understand this, then you cannot accept Him as your Saviour because you cannot know what it mean.

HaHa...If that was true, nary a Catholic went to heaven for the 1st three hundered hears of YOUR religious history since Your religion hadn't 'discovered' the Trinity til then...

But talk about private interpretation, where in the world did you come up with this philosophy??? You didn't get it from the scripture...

Let me guess...Your religion taught you that...

55 posted on 08/15/2007 7:56:50 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: MarkBsnr
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 3: God and the Holy Trinity

56 posted on 08/15/2007 8:49:12 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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