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To: PetroniusMaximus
“ethno-cultural” religion won’t save anyone

Depends on the religion and on the person. If a cradle Catholic goes through solid catechisis, understands and practices his faith, confesses sins and receives the Holy Communion, of course he will be saved. An interesting question is, would a cradle Protestant be saved? The answer to this one is far more complicated.

What make you think [the Protestant theologies] are “easier”.

Primarily, the variations on the security of salvation theme, and the relaxed teaching on contraception and divorce.

can articulate their faith

What would they say on the specific issues raised by Kresta in this segment, on the necessity to choose between traditions and on the authority and visible character of the Church?

anyone who leaves the Catholic church must be an idiot

No, but it is easier to leave the Church than to stay in it. We are a counter-cultural early medieval organisation. I am not surprised when Catholics leave; I am surprised how many of them come back enlightened by the experience.

30 posted on 08/17/2007 11:30:32 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
"If a cradle Catholic goes through solid catechisis, understands and practices his faith, confesses sins and receives the Holy Communion, of course he will be saved."

You can do all that and still not be saved. John said this was the test:

"We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did."

In other words, unless a person is obeying Jesus' words and becoming more like Jesus, there is no reason to think that that person will be saved - protestant or catholic.


" Primarily, the variations o­n the security of salvation theme"

I agree that the Bible teaches the reality of apostacy. But it also teaches the reality of a present-tense salvation:

"How great is the love the Father has lavished o­n us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure." - 1st John 3

... and this truth is something that, to the best of my knowlege, the Catholic Church completely overlooks. In fact, they would say it is a sin to be so confident of salvation! Yet  it is what the Apostle John taught.


" What would they say o­n the specific issues raised by Kresta..."

I'll have to ask.


" No, but it is easier to leave the Church than to stay in it."

Would you say the same is would be true for Kresta - i.e. that it was easier for his to leave the protestant church???




32 posted on 08/17/2007 1:53:15 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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