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The Golden Compass is pointing towards anti-Catholicism (starring Nicole Kidman - a Catholic)
American Papist ^ | August 20, 2007 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 08/20/2007 1:02:12 PM PDT by NYer

CathNews alerts us to the potential problem:

Nicole Kidman has denied that a new film she's making is anti-Catholic. The movie features an organisation known as "The Magisterium", which kidnaps children to remove their souls.

The Brisbane Times reports that Kidman told a US magazine that her Catholic faith affected her consideration of the script for the film, which is titled The Golden Compass.

The fantasy film is based on a novel by Philip Pullman called Northern Lights. It is already attracting attention in the US for avoiding much of the book's perceived anti-Catholic rhetoric.

Kidman said some of the religious elements were removed from the movie script.

Kidman told the magazine: "I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church is part of my essence.""I wouldn't be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic."

The Golden Compass is due for release in the US on 7 December.

I watched the extended trailer for the movie recently, and remember raising my eyebrows during some parts:



Narrator: "[This] is a world dominated by the Magisterium, which seeks to control all humanity, and whose greatest threat, is the curiosity of a child." (oh darn, he's on to us!)

Scientist Good Guy: "... [there is a] parallel universe, where there is no Magisterium." Religious Evil Guy: "That is heresy." Scientist Good Guy: "That is the truth." (aw shucks, science proved us wrong again!)

What's worse, I found an Amazon review of the novel that this movie is based upon. The review more than collaborates first-hand what CathNews mentions about the books being anti-Catholic:

A shock of bigotry

I read all three of these books and I kept waiting for the Anti-Catholic crap to be explained and rectified. I was horrified particularly that this is a book directed at children when the point of the whole story was to kill the "Authority" aka God. Not only that but all of the Priests of the Church were horrible, evil men who are lacivious, dirty, and murderous. Not one of them is good. And then the only way that the world can be saved is for two 12 year olds to make out.

There are so many other details in the story that I could name as examples of the vemonous anti Christian and particularly anti Catholic bigotry in these books. The 'tempter' is an ex nun who flat out tells the two children that Christianity is a mistake...and there is also a thinly veiled reference to sex when the book says her greatest time of 'bliss' was not when she was a nun. She also goes on to tell these two 12 year old kids that she was not married but lived with a man for four years. Then there is a bizarre story of the two male 'angels' who are in love with each other.

I'd like to tell any parents to steer clear of this book that is supposedly for children or even young adults. And also for people who are fairminded individuals and who dislike bigotry in any form.

I rated this item one star but I would give it NO STAR if I could.

And that's just a start! Read what another Amazon reviewer, from another viewpoint, had to say:
I am not a religious person. I wouldn't say I'm an atheist, but I'm seriously leaning toward agnosticism. However, this series made me feel not just uncomfortable, but downright unclean because of how it dealt with religion. Mr. Pullman is an atheist, and I do not take exception with his right to his beliefs. I probably share some of them. The problem is, this series has been published and marketed as a children's fantasy novel, with no mention of the active dislike - hatred, even - in it's portrayal of religion. Mr. Pullman is free to believe what he chooses, and I'll defend to my dying day his right to do so. However, readers (and their parents) also have a right to their beliefs, and should not be blindsided by a seemingly harmless children's book. We label music with violent lyrics, restrict access to movies with adult themes, even rate television shows so parents have some idea of the content before allowing their children to watch. It disturbs me that this book is marketed directly to children, without any indication of its anti-religious themes.

This is not a series for young children, no matter how precocious they are. Religious issues aside, it's just too dark. Even young teens should not read this series without adult input. If your child wishes to read it, you should read it first and be prepared to discuss it with them. This is especially true if you are even casually religious because it's unsettling to have your beliefs twisted into something evil and spit back at you. Adults and older teens should be aware of the subject matter before reading it. If you don't have a problem with it, fine, enjoy the books. They're certainly well written. If I had been prepared for the subject matter before going into it, I might have actually liked the books.
... and here's a third negative review along similar lines, for good measure.
Now, tally these objections with the fact that New Line Cinema is trying to market the movie as a logical/related continuation of their Lord of the Rings productions (and thereby trying to take advantage of its huge audience), and I'm not at all pleased.

The official trailer begins with the line "In 2001 New Line Cinema opened the door to Middle-Earth. This December they take you on another epic journey", while the Golden Compass is falling through air and spinning around to look like the One Ring from the LOTR promotions. How cute, but also how wrong.
I don't think I'm being pedantic on this point. People love LOTR not just for its fantasy world, but for its philosophy. To say that LOTR and the Golden Compass are two epic journeys is to ignore what kind of epic journey the LOTR presents. While perhaps sharing a similar genre of fiction, these sound like two very different tales.
Of course, you might be wondering why people are making a fuss over the anti-Catholicism of the book if the movie has tried to remove the offensive parts. Well, these types of movies always generate a renewed interest in the original titles. In the case of the LOTR and Chronicles of Narnia, this is great. In the case of the Golden Compass, this is a problem. Moreover, it seems that the Golden Compass isn't just sprinkled with the occasional anti-Catholic/anti-religious sentiment - it is deeply-inundated with the bigotry of a bitter atheist.
.... and it's marketed as a book for children?!
Update: Christopher Blosser has previously treated the problematic nature of Philip Pullman's work. If you want a more in-depth analysis of the issues involved I highly encourage you to read Christopher's post.


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1 posted on 08/20/2007 1:02:13 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Another film from Hollyweird.


2 posted on 08/20/2007 1:03:38 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
Kidman told the magazine: "I was raised Catholic, the Catholic Church is part of my essence.""I wouldn't be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic."

She's not too bright.

3 posted on 08/20/2007 1:05:28 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer

I know nothing about this film but how sincere of a Catholic could somebody who married and then divorce Tom Cruise be?


4 posted on 08/20/2007 1:11:05 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB

Getting the heck away from Tom “Xenu” Cruise strikes me as a very sensible thing to do ...


5 posted on 08/20/2007 1:13:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
Narrator: "[This] is a world dominated by the Magisterium, which seeks to control all humanity, and whose greatest threat, is the curiosity of a child."

Hasn't this movie already been made?

"Our plan would have worked too, but for those meddling kids and their dog"

6 posted on 08/20/2007 1:16:49 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Shau-dere? Shau-dere? It's chowdah Say it right! Come back here! I'm not through demeaning you)
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To: ArrogantBustard

>>Getting the heck away from Tom “Xenu” Cruise strikes me as a very sensible thing to do ...<<

Oh yeah.

But divorce, as I understand it is not Catholic.

Maybe she got annulment on the grounds of deception or his lack of sanity.


7 posted on 08/20/2007 1:17:02 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB
IIRC, She and Xenu had a "scientology wedding" ... being as she's a baptized Catholic (from her childhood), any ceremony, other than an actual Catholic sacramental marriage is invalid for her. The declaration of nullity would be pretty much pro forma. Then, of course, there's the question of mental stability ...
8 posted on 08/20/2007 1:20:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

>>IIRC, She and Xenu had a “scientology wedding” ... being as she’s a baptized Catholic (from her childhood), any ceremony, other than an actual Catholic sacramental marriage is invalid for her. The declaration of nullity would be pretty much pro forma. Then, of course, there’s the question of mental stability ..<<

interesting....

Does that mean if a Baptist and Catholic or two Baptists wed in a Baptist church with a Baptist preacher that any children are considered bastards (or whatever the proper term for unmarried parents is)?


9 posted on 08/20/2007 1:22:58 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: NYer

.””I wouldn’t be able to do this film if I thought it were at all anti-Catholic.”

She’s either a liar or a stupid twit who hasn’t read the trilogy or read about the author. But someone in the family has to pay Keith’s rehab bills.


10 posted on 08/20/2007 1:24:34 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Like, zoinks!


11 posted on 08/20/2007 1:26:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: NYer
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She is pretty,though.
12 posted on 08/20/2007 1:30:06 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: gondramB

Scientology weddings are not considered weddings by the church- in fact when Tom got “married” to Katie Holmes in Italy, it wasn’t even a recognized wedding- just for show. The civil wedding was his “wedding”, not renting a castle and all that jazz.

If a Baptist marries a Catholic but not in a Catholic church or with a Catholic priest, the Catholic church does not consider the Catholic sacrament of marriage has been performed. But will be happy to help the non-Catholic spouse understand and carry out the requirements for the children to receive other Catholic sacraments such as baptism, eucharist (at age 7/8) etc.


13 posted on 08/20/2007 1:32:06 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Thank you for that explanation.


14 posted on 08/20/2007 1:33:29 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: kanawa

Self ping for when I finish the trilogy. 230 pages to go.


15 posted on 08/20/2007 1:37:24 PM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: gondramB

To finish the explanantion ... two Baptists (one male, one female, of age, etc.) who marry in a Baptist Church according to whatever rules apply there are recognised by the Catholic Church as being validly married. Generally, the Church recognises as valid any marriage entered into according to the standards of whatever belief system the couple subscribed to at the time of their marriage. The general exception to the above is that one cannot cease to be Catholic.


16 posted on 08/20/2007 1:42:08 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

So she was just fornicating and her children are bastards.


17 posted on 08/20/2007 1:50:29 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: gondramB

btw... you can get a divorce without incurring any penalty in the Catholic Church. It isn’t until you want to remarry that there’s a bit of a problem.


18 posted on 08/20/2007 1:51:43 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ichabod1

Aha. I did not know that. Thank you.


19 posted on 08/20/2007 1:53:50 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: ichabod1

Her children are children.

Shacking up without benefit of marriage is (presumptively) a lifestyle of serial fornication or adultery. And it’s quite common. Unfortunately.


20 posted on 08/20/2007 1:56:24 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
It is true, the talking polar bears are from my favorite passage from the bible. I’m especially enamored with the part of the bible about shape-shifting ferrets and monkey-cats. But, by far, the most bible like part was the wicked witch to the north who lives where Santa Claus and his elves make toys.
21 posted on 08/20/2007 1:58:30 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: gondramB

I should say... a Civil Divorce. There is no such thing as a Divorce, per se, in the Catholic Church. Annulment is supposed to be a recognition that the marriage essentially never was. The complication is that to Catholics, the Sacrament of Matrimony is one of seven sacraments - Baptism, Confirmation, Confession (Reconciliation), Eucharist, Matrimony, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick (last rites). Of these, Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, and Holy Orders can only be given once.


22 posted on 08/20/2007 1:59:14 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes but... the fear of the children becoming post hoc illegitimate is very real to Catholics contemplating the seeking of an annulment.


23 posted on 08/20/2007 2:01:22 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ichabod1

>>I should say... a Civil Divorce. There is no such thing as a Divorce, per se, in the Catholic Church. Annulment is supposed to be a recognition that the marriage essentially never was. The complication is that to Catholics, the Sacrament of Matrimony is one of seven sacraments - Baptism, Confirmation, Confession (Reconciliation), Eucharist, Matrimony, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick (last rites). Of these, Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, and Holy Orders can only be given once.<<

And this is why, even though I am curious and one of best friends is a Nun, I never visit Catholic churches....

Its so complicated I am afraid I will embarrass whoever I go with by doing something wrong/


24 posted on 08/20/2007 2:02:45 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: ichabod1; gondramB

Huh?!?!?!

Baptism? check

Confirmation? check

Holy orders? Not quite ... essentially three times ... a man may be ordained a Deacon ... then a Priest ... then a Bishop.

Matrimony? We take that “until death do us part” thing seriously. That means a widow(er) is free to marry; death did them part. If it were not so, I’d be in trouble. But I’m not. At least, not that kind of trouble.


25 posted on 08/20/2007 2:04:42 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: gondramB
Its so complicated I am afraid I will embarrass whoever I go with by doing something wrong.

YMMV, but in my experience Catholics tend to be quite understanding about that sort of thing, especially where there's no apparent sense of malicious intent.

26 posted on 08/20/2007 2:08:02 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: gondramB

She could have had it annulled because of “fraud”, couldn’t she?


27 posted on 08/20/2007 2:12:22 PM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: ArrogantBustard

>>YMMV, but in my experience Catholics tend to be quite understanding about that sort of thing, especially where there’s no apparent sense of malicious intent.<<

Hopefully they would take being accompanied by 80 year old retired Nun as a good start. :)


28 posted on 08/20/2007 2:12:53 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: ArrogantBustard
whatever belief system the couple subscribed to at the time of their marriage.

I thought it had to be a Jewish or Christian marriage, not just any belief system.

I do know people who consider any marriage valid, even one before a justice of the peace--a promise is a promise, etc. This differs from the Catholic point of view, but their view of the marriage after it takes place is essentially the same as that of Catholics: no seeking of divorce, and if a divorce must take place, no remarriage.

29 posted on 08/20/2007 2:14:13 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: NYer

I never even heard of this book, and now that I have, I have reason to never purchase or promote it in any way.

What gets me is that Hollywood could make soooooo many movies based on good books that affirm Christianity instead of this crap. The idea that Hollywood does everything to make money is a lie. They do everything to promote their agenda.


30 posted on 08/20/2007 2:16:34 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: gondramB
Its so complicated I am afraid I will embarrass whoever I go with by doing something wrong/

LOL! I wouldn't worry, you'll be ok if you ever decide to. Just go with someone who's Catholic and he or she will tell you what to do. Otherwise:

1) sit/stand all the way in the back
2) just follow everyone else with the standing and kneeling
3) no need to make responses, sing, or anything...plenty of other people won't be anyway.
4) when people go up for Communion just stay in your seat and let everybody go around you. Not everyone goes to Communion anyway, so no one will think it odd.

You can pretty much not participate and no one will say anything. :)

31 posted on 08/20/2007 2:16:47 PM PDT by Claud
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To: ichabod1
her children are bastards

That might be what the secular world refers to them as but the Church does not.

32 posted on 08/20/2007 2:18:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Claud

Thank you.


33 posted on 08/20/2007 2:19:11 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB
It's so complicated I am afraid I will embarrass whoever I go with by doing something wrong.

Nobody's going to quiz you on theology or practice if you attend Mass with a friend. Just do what everyone else does, except don't receive Communion if you're not Catholic.

34 posted on 08/20/2007 2:19:53 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Private pay or private charity - live it, learn it, love it!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; ichabod1

Iirc, the children were legally adopted. This makes the Catholic Church’s judgment of the sacramental validity of Tom Cruise’s and Nicole Kidman’s legal marriage even less relevant that it would otherwise be.


35 posted on 08/20/2007 2:21:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Private pay or private charity - live it, learn it, love it!)
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To: ichabod1
Of these, Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, and Holy Orders can only be given once.

The Sacrament of Matrimony can be celebrated more than once if a spouse dies and the survivor marries again.

36 posted on 08/20/2007 2:22:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Private pay or private charity - live it, learn it, love it!)
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To: gondramB
The fact that she's a redhead has to be taken into consideration.

Kidman has since been granted an annulment on the basis that her first marriage did not conform to the requirements of the Church.

37 posted on 08/20/2007 2:23:04 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: gondramB

Very good start. :’} And if she’s anything like most of the nuns I know, she’d enjoy it. They tend to be real sweethearts ... unless you’re acting up in class.


38 posted on 08/20/2007 2:24:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: gondramB
Dear gondramB,

It’s tough to say what her marital status vis-a-vis the Church. First, there is the question of whether Mr. Cruise was eligible to contract a valid Catholic marriage. He was divorced when he married Ms. Kidman, and a Scientologist as well. Either of these circumstances may have been prima facie impediments to a valid sacramental marriage, meaning that they may have never even attempted a Catholic marriage.

Next, even if they were ostensibly married in the Church, Mr. Cruise’s bizarre beliefs may affect his views toward marriage, as well, and may make his participation in a Catholic marriage problematic.


sitetest

39 posted on 08/20/2007 2:25:30 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
Nicole and Daniel Craig are also opening in the new Invasion [of the Body Snatchers] remake.

The tag line -- "Do Not Trust Anyone. Do Not Show Emotion. Do Not Fall Asleep." -- left me thinking: "Well, at least she shouldn't have any trouble with the middle one."

40 posted on 08/20/2007 2:30:55 PM PDT by x
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To: ArrogantBustard

>>Very good start. :’} And if she’s anything like most of the nuns I know, she’d enjoy it. They tend to be real sweethearts ... unless you’re acting up in class.<<

I would have said she was the kindest,sweetest, most gentle person on earth until a group of girls she had taught (now in their 40’s and 50’s) came to her and told her they had been molested for up to 10 years by a priest and that when they went to the church to complain they were banned from the school and church grounds.

Lynne was like slow erupting volcano. By the time she was through, the church flew in a very high ranking priest to apologize in person, held a public forgiveness ceremony, exiled the priest to a monastery and offered money although the women accepted only a token amount since it wasn’t about money.

Then she went back to sweet and docile but I could never view her quite the same again.


41 posted on 08/20/2007 2:38:49 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB
Good for her. Priests and religious have a vocation (among other things) to protect little children. Sometimes that means tolerating no nonsense from them ... and sometimes it means ripping the heads off of those who would harm them.

I guess you already know this, but don't let those old fashioned nuns (and they do still exist, thank God) fool you. They're made of steel.

42 posted on 08/20/2007 2:54:51 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: gondramB
Does that mean if a Baptist and Catholic or two Baptists wed in a Baptist church with a Baptist preacher that any children are considered bastards (or whatever the proper term for unmarried parents is)?

Marriages in Protestant churches are considered valid by the Catholic Church. If a Catholic marries in a Protestant church without a dispensation (a modern change I think) they are excommunicated. I don't think they gave dispensations for this in the old days but I could be wrong. A Catholic civil marriage is not recognized as a marriage at all.

It gets complicated. I recommend you buy a copy of the catechism "My Catholic Faith" if you are interested. It teaches you all the basics of Catholicism. The book on Church History by Fr. John Laux is supposed to be good as well. My Trad priest recommends both.

43 posted on 08/20/2007 3:37:08 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: gondramB

She was a fallen away N.O. Catholic when she married Cruise. After the divorce she returned to the Church. That might have been one of the things which led to the divorce. I heard she became disenchanted with Scientology.


44 posted on 08/20/2007 3:39:09 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

>>She was a fallen away N.O. Catholic when she married Cruise. After the divorce she returned to the Church. That might have been one of the things which led to the divorce. I heard she became disenchanted with Scientology.<<

Or maybe the South Park episode where Tom Cruise is hiding in a closet and they call Nicole Kidman to try to get Tom to come out of the closet but he won’t come out even for her was more true than Tom would admit.

great episode by the way. They get John Travolta to ask Tom to come out but when Tom tells him how warm and comfortable it is in the closet, Travolta also goes in and won’t come out of the closet.

South Park is cool.


45 posted on 08/20/2007 3:42:26 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB

lol, there were lots of rumors!


46 posted on 08/20/2007 3:53:20 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: NYer
The movie features an organisation known as "The Magisterium", which kidnaps children to remove their souls.

Sounds like a Documentary...
(he says while running out the room...)

47 posted on 08/20/2007 3:56:31 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
If a Catholic marries in a Protestant church without a dispensation (a modern change I think) they are excommunicated.

So you're saying that my husband, who was baptized Catholic, has been excommunicated from the Catholic Church because we were married in my Methodist Church? Our 23-year marriage, I presume, is considered invalid as well. How interesting.

48 posted on 08/20/2007 5:11:45 PM PDT by Flo Nightengale (long-time lurker)
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To: Flo Nightengale

No, it’s a valid marriage but if he did not get a dispensation he is not in good standing with the Church. I am not a priest so it would be best to speak with one if he attends a parish or is interested in returning. The rules have relaxed a bit since VII. If neither of you was previously divorced the situation is easily remedied.


49 posted on 08/20/2007 5:20:17 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: El Cid
The movie features an organisation known as "The Magisterium", which kidnaps children to remove their souls.

Sounds like a Documentary...
(he says while running out the room...)


Why run away? Why not stay and defend your bigoted views? You consider a book that includes lines like "The Christian religion is a very powerful and convincing mistake, that's all" to be a documentary? What some of you Catholic haters don't seem to quite understand is that a work like this attacks Christianity in general, not just Catholicism.
50 posted on 08/20/2007 5:31:25 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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