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Posted on 08/20/2007 2:38:07 PM PDT by pjr12345
Bravissima!
They don't at all, not without certain other ambiguities addressed conclusively shed any light whatsoever on Peter's role in the Church. None that I, former Protestant well familiar with those texts and their use as you use them, can see any way.
it makes sense to consider the New Testament in its entirety to determine its likely meaning. Scripture itself requires that testimony be based upon two or three witness (Matthew 18:16).
Can you see how the use of a prescription about a legal argument as grounds for a method of hermeneutics might strike someone as a Protestant tradition and a wrenching of the text out of its context and a forcing of it into a use which is not proper to it?
I went through your texts. Not a one was new to me. I do not see anything in them which contradicts what I understand the Catholic Church to teach about Peter. I knew of each and every one of these texts before I converted to Catholicism.
I mention this not to say "Nyah, nyah," but to point out how the nature of the problem may not be what you think it is.
Brilliant.
My Post #26 provides a Scripture-based position. If you wish to participate in this thread, then please do so. If not, then please depart.
I am participating.
Please: who precisely finds it threatening and how do you know that their responses arise from such a finding without "reading minds"?
I would advise killing both threads. The caucus designation will never fly, and there is a lot of mind-reading going on.
Cluttering is more like it ...
Might I suggest that you dig into the allowed 66 books of your catholic Bible and provide supporting verses to Matthew 16:18-19. Another idea would be for you to take one or more of the verses I put forth and provide a reasonably scholarly attempt to refute them.
Hissy fits serve no constructive purpose, and simply demonstrate the futility of one's position.
The Primacy of Peter - Where is that in the Bible?
Neither you nor Luther nor Calvin will disallow me the entire bible. Sorry.
Your first sentence is highly debatable and depends on traditional Protestant interpretations of the texts you cite.
But, more importantly, your second sentence goes beyond your own stated purpose for this thread. Even you can't follow your own rules.
This thread needs to die.
So, you want us to discuss the Catholic faith by using the Protestant bible? scratching head
Why don't we do a precis of the the Jewish faith using the Koran? Or use the Book of Mormon to deconstruct Buddihsm? While you say you want the thread to be civil, your basic premise is anything but.
Yes. If you disagree with the message, STIFLE it. Why don’t you hunt me down and interrogate me? Perhaps I ought to be put on the rack. Or you could simply put a sack on your head and cut my head off.
I would expect your response on a forum a bit further left of here. It is quite disappointing.
That would make this thread and the stillborn thread that preceded it two towering monuments to the futility of your position.
Totally ignoring one's opponents and attributing being threatened to them doesn't do a whole lot for the smoothness of the conversation either.
You guys use Scripture in a manner very different from that in which we use it. You have a tradition about the use of Scripture which differs from the Catholic tradition.
Now it comes out.
It was seeping before, but now it gushes.
Wow.
Then by all means... DEBATE!
I call foul.
pjr12345, In my first response to this thread, I praised your intentions. I note that you never acknowledged my attempt to compliment you.
Remember in that movie Scanners, when that dude’s head exploded?
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