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Posted on 08/20/2007 2:38:07 PM PDT by pjr12345
15 When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. 17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep. 18 Amen, amen I say to thee, when thou wast younger, thou didst gird thyself, and didst walk where thou wouldst. But when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and lead thee whither thou wouldst not. 19 And this he said, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had said this, he saith to him: Follow me.
-- John 21:15-19
"If I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth." .... 1 Timothy 3:15
The Church's compilation of the Bible illuminates the error of sola Scriptura. As alluded to above, Protestants generally believe that God has revealed everything that is necessary for our salvation through the Bible alone. Consequently, they also believe that no knowledge found outside of the Bible regarding the Christian faith is necessary for our salvation. However, the knowledge of which Scriptures belong in the Bible and which Scriptures do not is necessary for our salvation because if we didn't know this we could be led into error. Further, this knowledge could only come from God because human beings cannot necessarily discern divine inspiration.
The problem, therefore, with sola Scriptura, is that the knowledge of which Scriptures are inspired and which ones are not is not contained in the Bible. The Bible does not have an "inspired table of contents." Instead, this knowledge of the canon of Scripture is a revelation from God that is necessary for our salvation, and yet came to us from outside the Bible . This revelation was given to the Holy Catholic Church, and this historical and theological fact destroys the doctrine of sola Scriptura (interestingly, while Protestants reject the authority of the Catholic Church on most matters, they accept her authority in determining the New Testament canon of Scripture; we pejoratively call such picking and choosing which doctrines to believe and which doctrines to reject "Cafeteria Catholicism").
If I were a Protestant trying to prove sola Scriptura, and there was a verse that said "the Bible is the pillar and bulwark of the truth," I would be proclaiming that verse from the roof tops. At the same time, if I were a Protestant, I would have to ignore 1 Timothy 3:15 to continue my protest of the Catholic faith.
Oh no he didn’t just pull a Wayne’s World reference out.
So, I’m new to this whole “caucus” thing. Does that mean that every time the thread starter replies, he has to ping the religion mod? Is that, like, a rule?
15 And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you:
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.
-- 2Peter 3:15-17
You have a good ear!
Your failure to respond with courtesy when courtesy is shown to you, your failure to respond to the arguments made in the same post, your subsequent mind reading, and #53 will provide the thoughtful person with everything he needs to understand why I decline the invitation to debate with you.
Your praise is sullied by your (and not yours alone) haranguing. Arguing to end a thread simply because you disagree with the topic, and don’t like the rules is no different than what many far-left groups attempt to accomplish in our society. It is reprehensible.
The comments thus far have been nothing but sour grapes. Not one person (save myself) has made an honest attempt to tackle the challenge.
There is nothing to fear here. Catholics acknowledge MULTIPLE authorities. The goal here is to enlighten everyone on which doctrines enjoy Biblical support and which do not. Your doctrines are unaffected. Your other authorities remain to comfort you and support your faith.
Does anyone have the definition of obsession handy?
pjr12345
See #71.
Like I know?
I don't know if you have to ping the RM. The general guidelines for this food fight are here. I personally am not sure that the Caucus designation means that someone can do what the initiator of this thread attempted which was to set a topic and an approach to it. Here's what I find on caucuses:
Any thread can be designated a caucus - e.g. labeled as a “[Catholic Caucus]” or “[LDS Caucus]” - provided that neither the article nor any of the posts challenge [*see footnote] or ridicule any other confession. These are “safe harbors” for those who are easily offended or are ill equipped to defend their own confession.On this basis I'd incline toward concluding that the Caucus designation is meaningless for this thread.
And now the conversation has also become pretty much meaningless as well.
There is an agenda here and it has been obvious from his first post on FR and it hasn’t changed. He wants to prove Catholic theology wrong in the worst way. I hate to be the one to tell him that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church and better men have tried and failed...so I won’t.
Are you a Catholic?
If not, then why are you posting this thread?
When I post, must I use Scripture?
Just some question that inquiring minds want to know.
Fraidy cat.
Are you so insecure in your religion that you resort to prankish behavior?
Is there no champion among the RCC faithful able to engage in an honest, civil, Bible-based debate?
If one is Catholic, and one accepts authorities additional to the Bible, one ought to find it valuable to know how much of one’s beliefs can be supported through Scripture exclusively. TGreat - then AT LEAST let's restrict the discussion to the CATHOLIC Bible, the one that preceded all the others.
If you’re not in the military you’re not allowed to discuss the war? Please!
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