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Archdiocese bans schismatic sect from Denver churches
CNA ^ | August 27, 2007

Posted on 08/27/2007 1:12:58 PM PDT by NYer

Denver, Aug 27, 2007 / 10:38 am (CNA).- Members of the schismatic Society of St. Pius X complied with directives from the Archdiocese of Denver on Saturday, banning them from praying in two Denver churches.

Since 1999, members of St. Isidore the Farmer Church in Watkins, Colorado have embarked on a 50-mile walking pilgrimage to Mother Cabrini Shrine in Golden, Colorado to thank God for the completion of their church.

In the past, the pilgrims stopped along the route to pray and rest in the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception or Holy Ghost Church, both in downtown Denver.

However, the last several years, parishioners from the two churches complained that the pilgrims were leaving behind Pius X literature and trying to recruit members, communications director Jeanette DeMelo told Rocky Mountain News.

In 2002, Archbishop Charles Chaput put an end to these pilgrims celebrating their Mass at the Cabrini shrine because of the group has split from the Roman Catholic Church. Since then, the pilgrims have celebrated their Mass at the highway turnout below the shrine.

The Vatican has determined that the Society of St. Pius X is schismatic based on its adherence to a 16th-century version of the Latin Mass, its rejection of the Second Vatican Council, and in some cases, their rejection of the authority of the Pope.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: cathedral; co; sspx

1 posted on 08/27/2007 1:13:02 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

What say you ping.


2 posted on 08/27/2007 1:13:34 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

It’s taken them since 1999 to walk 50 miles?


3 posted on 08/27/2007 1:20:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Gravity! It's not just a good idea, it's the law!)
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To: NYer

I say let them be consistent. If the SSPX are banned from there, then only Catholics should pray in their churches. No Protestants. No Jews. No Muslims. No Hindus. No Buddhists. Et al.


4 posted on 08/27/2007 1:21:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: NYer
It seems to me that it would be more appropriate to inform the group that if anyone litters the cathedral with schismatic literature, the group will be banned in future.

But perhaps they were warned already.

There was an SSPXer who would harass Massgoers at St. Agnes in Manhattan every Sunday and strew bizarre mimeographed flyers across the pews.

5 posted on 08/27/2007 1:23:53 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Pyro7480

If you read the article, Archbishop Chaput is not banning anyone from praying at the churches. He is forbidding the schismatic group from holding organized services at the churches, and only because of their anti-Catholic behavior.


6 posted on 08/27/2007 1:35:34 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark
Why are you accusing me of not reading the article, when they're these two lines from the artice?

In the past, the pilgrims stopped along the route to pray and rest in the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception or Holy Ghost Church, both in downtown Denver.

However, the last several years, parishioners from the two churches complained that the pilgrims were leaving behind Pius X literature and trying to recruit members, communications director Jeanette DeMelo told Rocky Mountain News.

Chaput banned them from saying Mass there in 2002. That's not news. What's news is the recent directive that they're not even allowed in the churches. Period.

7 posted on 08/27/2007 1:39:30 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: NYer
It seems like an overreaction to me, but perhaps there is more to this story. Still, I think I would prefer to see a more welcoming attitude on the part of the Archdiocese.
8 posted on 08/27/2007 1:50:06 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480

i don’t think any non memebers who aren’t pondering converting should be praying in churches which contradict their faith-denomination.


9 posted on 08/27/2007 1:57:46 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Pyro7480
However, the last several years, parishioners from the two churches complained that the pilgrims were leaving behind Pius X literature and trying to recruit members

If this has been going on for a couple of years, I can't believe nothing was said, no warning given before. And just how many years would you tolerate someone trying to recruit you in your church?

As I understand it, from the comments on Fr. Z's blog, they're not banned as individuals, but as an organized group.

10 posted on 08/27/2007 2:03:33 PM PDT by maryz
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To: NYer

Very interesting!


11 posted on 08/27/2007 2:04:00 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pyro7480
I say let them be consistent. If the SSPX are banned from there, then only Catholics should pray in their churches. No Protestants. No Jews. No Muslims. No Hindus. No Buddhists. Et al.

Good point. Could you imagine the controvesry if he did ban a Jewish group?

12 posted on 08/27/2007 2:05:27 PM PDT by Diago (http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com/)
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To: Pyro7480

So you think they’d welcome me to make a return visit if I dropped off some excerpts from the Westminster Confession, perhaps from Chapter 25 or 29.


13 posted on 08/27/2007 4:23:42 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Pyro7480
I disagree, first of all you wouldn't know if an individual was Buddhist or Catholic and how do you get credentials. Nobody gave me a membership card when I joined the Catholic church

It is a different matter, this was a group publicly associated with the SSPX. Publicly seperated from the Catholic Church. I would say that those parishes offered them hospitality and they abused it.

I wonder why they wanted to pray at those churches anyway because they don't believe that the NO Mass is valid and therefore Jesus wouldn't be present in the tabernacle by their reasoning.

14 posted on 08/27/2007 4:42:46 PM PDT by tiki
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To: NYer

But Protestants, atheists, etc., can.


15 posted on 08/27/2007 4:52:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: trisham

Our parish had some pretty nasty encounters with the SSPX crowd here. Nasty, evil accusations against our very orthodox priest were thrown about. They would stand on the sidewalk and distibute letters containing all sorts of vile accusations. And then they would show up whenever there was a Trid mass (which we have on special occasions)and act like nothing was wrong. It didn’t seem to bother them that these priests they were smearing were the same ones offering the Mass.

Anyway, I have a feeling that there is a lot more going on here but that the Archbishop is trying to take the high road.


16 posted on 08/27/2007 4:57:57 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Pyro7480
I say let them be consistent. If the SSPX are banned from there, then only Catholics should pray in their churches. No Protestants. No Jews. No Muslims. No Hindus. No Buddhists. Et al.

...or No pro abortion governors like Bill Ritter having an inauguration mass...

17 posted on 08/27/2007 6:40:02 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: iowamark

Try reading the story again.


18 posted on 08/27/2007 7:52:45 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NYer

This is true. We get yahoos, not just the SSPX crowd, leaving all kinds of schismatic material in the Cathedral. I’ve even found Jack Chick comics left there.


19 posted on 08/27/2007 7:57:45 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: tiki
I wonder why they wanted to pray at those churches anyway

I wondered that, myself. Some here have said they wouldn't attend a Mass held in a church that also holds Novus Ordo Masses, because of some fear of corruption.

United Methodist Churches are extremely hospitable; perhaps they'd welcome the SSPX to stop in, rest, use the facilities, etc.

20 posted on 08/28/2007 6:10:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Gravity! It's not just a good idea, it's the law!)
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To: PAR35
So you think they’d welcome me to make a return visit if I dropped off some excerpts from the Westminster Confession, perhaps from Chapter 25 or 29.

LOL! That would be very bad manners, which is what this dispute is really about. I think any church should be open to anyone who wants to visit it when it's open, as long as the person behaves politely. It is polite to sit silently and pray. It is not polite to distribute literature.

21 posted on 08/28/2007 6:13:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Gravity! It's not just a good idea, it's the law!)
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To: iowamark

We were in Denver over the weekend, attended the Sunday evening mass with Chaput presiding. He is such a good man. Beautiful cathedral, too. It made us (under Mahoney’s shadow here in LA) want to move there.


22 posted on 08/28/2007 6:43:19 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: NYer
About 7 years back, the Pius X group in Atlanta advertised their church as a Catholic Church in the Phone Book. I complained to the phone company about them being put in the Catholic Section.

This was also not much of a church -- they had mass at a hotel...

23 posted on 08/28/2007 7:14:20 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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