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America Needs Fatima to Send 1,270 Roses to Fatima Shrine
America Needs Fatima ^ | 09-03-07 | America Needs Fatima

Posted on 09/03/2007 12:11:33 PM PDT by concernedAmerican1

The American TFP’s America Needs Fatima campaign (ANF) is offering a special privilege to all those planning to lead public square rosaries on October 13.  It will send a rose to Our Lady’s Fatima shrine in the name of each one on October 13..

America Needs Fatima offers this as a token of gratitude for the work these “rosary captains” are doing.  “Our rosary captains are struggling to publicly honor Our Lady on October 13,” said ANF director Robert Ritchie, “so, I wanted to give them a present that would glorify Our Lady and grant them graces.”

The roses will be taken to the site of the 1917 apparitions.  “Being that Our Lady’s Fatima apparitions are the most spectacular intervention of Our Lady in modern times,” said Mr. Ritchie, “I could not think of a better place to bring these roses to offer them symbolically to the Mother of God.”

To date, there are over 1,200 rosary captains across the nation.  You, too, can have a rose offered in your name by signing up to lead a public rosary in your area.  Join now while there is still time by clicking here.


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1 posted on 09/03/2007 12:11:35 PM PDT by concernedAmerican1
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2 posted on 09/03/2007 12:29:41 PM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: fatima
America Needs Fatima to Send 1,270 Roses to Fatima Shrine

Fatima, you need to get busy. America needs you to send 1270 roses right away. ;-)

3 posted on 09/03/2007 1:24:39 PM PDT by barker ( A smile is a curved line that sets things straight.)
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To: concernedAmerican1

This doesn’t make sense. What good does it do to send roses to a shrine?


4 posted on 09/03/2007 3:12:04 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

It makes sense to Catholics to honor the Mother of God, in this case, the Marian apparitions which occurred at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917. The Roses are a way to honor those apparitions and show filial devotion, just as any good son or daughter respects and honors their mother.


5 posted on 09/03/2007 3:21:49 PM PDT by concernedAmerican1 (millstones solve scandals)
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To: concernedAmerican1

Today I visited the Blue Army Shrine in Washington, NJ. It was a beautiful setting but it was closed. [although the sign said Open Daily].


6 posted on 09/03/2007 3:26:54 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: concernedAmerican1

Have heard a convincing narrative by a dogged researcher who documented impressively that

the current Pope

knows

that the whole Fatima schtick

was a deceptive effort by UFO/ET critters with all the typical factors involved in such things.

But, . . . that at this point in time . . . this Pope cannot rock such a boat without risking lots of fragile stacks of cards.

Until I heard this narrative, I’d always held the story loosely waiting to see what God confirmed or didn’t.

But it was very convincing. I no longer believe that Fatima had anything to do with Jesus; God Almighty or Holy Spirit.


7 posted on 09/03/2007 3:29:23 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
Have heard a convincing narrative by a dogged researcher who documented impressively that the current Pope knows that the whole Fatima schtick.

You know, dear friend, that such statements carry no weight in the forum, unless accompanied by valid web links. There were 70,000 witnesses to the events that took place at Fatima. This is verifiable through media reporting. Where is yours?

8 posted on 09/03/2007 4:57:23 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Was mildly hoping someone else had happened upon such a narratve for discussion’s sake.

I may get around to trying to track down such a link and it may fall by the wayside priority-wise.

The 70,000 saw specific visual phenomena.

When the phenomena are stripped of interpretation and down to the bare-bones visual images . . . that’s a different story than tha layered with umpteen decades of accepted interpretation on top of centuries of tradition.

Alas, additional such phenomena seem destined for our era . . . also with jury-rigged interpretations spoon fed by very controlled MSM . . .

I don’t care enormously how many see things as I now do. Those truly seeking GOD ALONE WHO IS TRUTH, shall be led into all TRUTH . . .


9 posted on 09/03/2007 7:08:36 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: concernedAmerican1
I wanted to give them a present that would glorify Our Lady and grant them graces.

I ask that we think carefully about this. Who are we to glorify and how? Is grace purchasable by our gifts or actions? What does the word of God say about these things?

10 posted on 09/03/2007 7:36:10 PM PDT by DragoonEnNoir
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To: barker

Should have been
America Needs Fatima; Send 1,270 Roses to Fatima Shrine


11 posted on 09/03/2007 7:51:57 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: LiteKeeper

One rose to be sent for each Rosary Square event, Rosary Bowl event.

The American Needs Fatima ministry would like to have that many Rosary Squares, Rosary Bowls scheduled.

One rose for each scheduled event will be sent to the Fatima Shrine and a memento of what happened in America.


12 posted on 09/03/2007 7:54:07 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

America Needs Fatima; Send 1,270 Roses to Fatima Shrine

Still didn’t get it right. a^(%*

America Needs Fatima Ministry: Send 1,270 Roses to Fatima Shrine


13 posted on 09/03/2007 7:56:06 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Forgive me for my denseness, but what purpose does this serve? And why does America Need Fatima? Isn’t needing God enough? He is our sufficiency, what else do we need?


14 posted on 09/03/2007 9:29:04 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: concernedAmerican1

I must be missing something...why do you honor apparitions?


15 posted on 09/03/2007 9:32:51 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

Isn’t needing God enough? He is our sufficiency, what else do we need?

= = = =

INDEED.

Amen!


16 posted on 09/03/2007 9:54:36 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: concernedAmerican1

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/ebe.htm

“Things to beware of in 1997:

Chernobyl. (And not just the one which already blew.)”

ROTFL!

or

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AMFIHLW5HTUCZ?ie=UTF8&display=public&sort_by=MostRecentReview&page=4

“But why the Revelations connection? The book also “reveals” the message of Fatima and informs us that the Lady of Fatima was an extra-terrestrial like Rama. We’re really off in la-la land at this point. The book appears to be self-published, with the publisher listed as “Living Waters Publishing and Distributing, Inc.” Could it have been a hoax designed to sell a religious theory about the meaning of the Biblical Revelations? I’d love to hear from anyone having information on Charles Silva or the content of this book. Is any of this true?”

Well, of course it is. My name is SNARFQXORZ and I come from the 50th intergalactic dispersal interzone where we have hidden our mothership in Yankee Stadium concealed by interdimensional photobogs and bot’zed.

Put your hand the computer screen and I will through telepathy let you in on the big secrets.

(Oh, and send me money through my Nigerian post office box to learn the real secrets)


17 posted on 09/04/2007 8:43:19 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Quix
that the whole Fatima schtick

was a deceptive effort by UFO/ET critters with all the typical factors involved in such things.

Oddly enough (given the criticism I've expressed to some of the stuff you've come up with) I tend to agree with you on this. I've read Vallee on apparitions. Not necessarily "ET", but somebody trying to manipulate us.

18 posted on 09/04/2007 10:13:58 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Lee N. Field; All

Not sure I’ve found the particular researcher but there is this . . .

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/07/03.html

Related Articles
Fatima: The UFO Interpretation
The mass visions that took place in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 have long been the subject of fascination. Tonight’s guest Father Nicholas Gruner believes these events were miraculous communications from the Virgin Mary, as does the Catholic Church. However, a number of ufologists over the years, have looked at the incidents as possibly being an example of a UFO visitation.

The events at Fatima took place over number of months, and were predicted by a young peasant girl named Lucia, who said she received messages from a brilliantly luminous Lady whom she understood to be Mary. As more and more people heard about the events, some 70,000 people gathered on October 13, as Lucia instructed. As the crowd huddled on this rainy day, they saw an astonishing display, where the sun seemed to come down out of the sky, and spin around on itself, in a mad whirl that lasted 10 minutes.

Proponents of the UFO theory, say this bright globe could have been a huge disc-shaped craft, and that many aspects of the incidents, such as reports of unusual beings, ridicule of the witnesses, and dire messages about our planet, parallel current UFO cases. The well-known researcher Jacques Vallee, drew further connections, comparing the weakness and loss of memory some of the witnesses reported, to the kinds of paralysis and lost time that alien abductees experience. And yet, “there is some danger of creating a stereotyped idea of UFOs…and imposing this on the evidence,” writes the insightful UFO author Richard L. Thompson.

—L.L.

Recap
Messages of Fatima
Father Nicholas Gruner (fatima.org), one of the Catholic Church’s more controversial priests, was the main guest on Thursday night. A tireless advocate for devotion and interest in the messages delivered at Fatima in 1917, Gruner believes they hold the key to the fate of mankind.

According to Father Gruner, the last surviving Fatima seer, Sister Lucia, was told a three-part secret in 1917 that she was to reveal over time. The first two parts were released in 1941, and included a vision of hell that was thought to refer to the first two world wars; and the second was a prediction that Russia would return to Christianity. The third secret was given out by the Vatican in 2000, and was said to be a vision of the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II. However Father Gruner said this wasn’t the real third secret.

He believes it was a vision of a universal crisis for the whole Catholic Church. The “faith is in danger,” he said, echoing the words of the late Father Malachi Martin. Alluding to parts of the church hierarchy being in collusion with a “New World Order” or “one-world religion,” Gruner painted a dire picture of humanity’s enslavement along with a massive depopulation effort. And yet, he said if the “consecration” of Russia could be accomplished, as seen in the Fatima vision, this could instead bring in an era of peace.


19 posted on 09/04/2007 12:28:46 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix; Lee N. Field; Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; ...
END TIMES PING LIST PING . . . Please let me know if you want on or off this ping list.

And yet, “there is some danger of creating a stereotyped idea of UFOs…and imposing this on the evidence,” writes the insightful UFO author Richard L. Thompson. —L.L.

NO LESS SO . . . IT IS JUST AS HAZARDOUS, IF NOT MORE SO . . . TO IMPOSE A PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE'S EXPLANATION ON THE EVIDENCE OUT OF SOCIOLOGICAL, POLITICAL, PSYCHODYNAMIC AND/OR RELIGIOUS FACTORS, NEEDS AND COMPULSIONS . . . ON TYPICAL VISUAL ETC. PHENOMENA WHICH LIKELY WERE AT BEST SOMEWHAT AMBIGUOUS . . .

Or, which may even have been deliberately manipulative TOWARD that particular RC interpretation--as a number of UFO/"ET" visitations have been. Actually, such manifestations have seemingly deliberately played on the inherent perspectives, archetypes, themes of a number of different religious and other major value orientations--particularly those of the NEW AGE genre. It seems that such WATCHERS/FALLEN ANGELS/ET's are skilled and well able to match whatever the expectations are of each of the value groups in a seductive effort toward Pied-Piperly leading them to "ET" desired convictions and conclusions.

And, the general sweep of such seductive imprints onto the different religious value orientations is . . . somewhat generic while often being self-contradictory as well between different visitations, ET sources etc.

The general sweep is apocalyptic--Fatima fits the pattern.

The particulars usually include some variation on humans destroying the environment--making the earth unliveable; war mongering destroying life and the planet etc. Fatima is in that ball park.

Also, the particular "ET" spokescritter typically appears benevolent, authoritative, exhortive etc in seductive ways which increase the likelinhood of the observers looking to such spokescritters and phenomena as being sources of truth, enlightenment and safety in the future. Fatima is well within the ball park on that score, as well.

20 posted on 09/04/2007 12:49:13 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: OpusatFR

Secret RC codes revealed! For the first time!

Suntne vacci laeti
Tua toga suspina est
Sane ego te vocavi. forsitan capedictum tuum desit
Aut insanit homo, aut versus facit
Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo


21 posted on 09/04/2007 1:14:46 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

Sooooooooooooo, just who, precisely, did you wish to enlighten with such lines?

Or was enlightenment quite far from your intent?


22 posted on 09/04/2007 3:34:05 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

It’s the OpusCode. If you look at my crayon drawings and view the left stick figure from the upside down position hanging from a gutter on the northwest face of the Chrysler building, you can see the truth!


23 posted on 09/04/2007 3:50:00 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: NYer

I thought I saw Mary in a cloud formation the other day.


24 posted on 09/04/2007 3:54:15 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: OpusatFR

“Or was enlightenment quite far from your intent?”.

It’s a secret code after all! ~the Latin and such.

Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo only has special meaning to Tom Monaghan who has sacrificed his entire working life for it.

I wouldn’t expect you to understand.


25 posted on 09/04/2007 3:54:55 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

Welllll . . . some have contended that a particularly virulent form of elite snobbery has been a part of RC-ism for a long time. What do I know.

Interesting, however. Sociologically and psychodynamically interesting.

BTW, I don’t think you have much of a clue about what I know and don’t know.


26 posted on 09/04/2007 4:06:40 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

“BTW, I don’t think you have much of a clue about what I know and don’t know.”

Nope. I don’t. I’m just an Opus.


27 posted on 09/04/2007 4:09:22 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: LiteKeeper

A dead sinner won’t help anyone.

Only Christ can do this.


28 posted on 09/04/2007 5:28:30 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: LiteKeeper

I don’t honor dead sinners in this way.

This dishonors Christ, God.


29 posted on 09/04/2007 5:29:23 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh

Amen! This really seems foolish.


30 posted on 09/04/2007 6:13:01 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: barker

:)


31 posted on 09/04/2007 6:13:49 PM PDT by fatima (Baby alert,Baby Ava arrived 6-29-07 at 3 PM-she is 10 pounds:))
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To: LiteKeeper

I really don’t know how many times this follishness must be posted.

It’s CHRIST who died on the cross!

It’s CHRIST who took away our sins!

NOT MARY!!!

She needed CHRIST too - to allow her to have eternal life.

John 3:16


32 posted on 09/04/2007 6:29:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh; Alamo-Girl; .30Carbine; Forest Keeper; fortheDeclaration; Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
A dead sinner won’t help anyone.

. . . with fingers precariously in cheek . . .

--she's not dead . . . at least she was a Believer . . . and she's gotttttta be outta purgatory BY NOW! Oh, Wait . . .

--she was never sinful. That's right. Our Magicsterical declared in umpteeump that she was always sinless. So that Christ could be sinless. Clever that. God had to have our Magicsterical finish that plan out so it would really fly.

--besides . . . being human and all . . . she's so much more easy to identify with . . . and to feel that she identifies with our struggles . . . even though she was always sinless and all . . . lofty Queen of Heaven that she always was . . . at least . . . according to our Magicsterical . . .

. . . HE WAS TOUCHED WITH THE FEELINGS OF OUR INFIRMITIES . . .

Yeah . . . Father . . . but . . . but . . . uhhhhh . . . but . . .

being a mother figure and all . . . ample bossom for nestling in like wayward needy children and all . . . so cozy . . . so touching . . . so picturesque . . . so warm and fuzzy . . .

COME UNTO ME, ALL YOU WHO ARE BURDENED AND HEAVY LADEN . . .

Yeah, Father . . . but . . . but . . . but . . . but . . . we just kind of find . . . uhhhh . . . . these "little" detours by Mary's fantasized lap soooooo comforting . . . soooooo human . . . so . . . familiar . . . soooo dreamy . . .

NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME . . .

Wellll, yeah, Father. OK. But . . . we just kind of needed to insert this little uhhhhh side trip . . . this little . . . excursion . . . uhhh . . . this little RESPECT, THAT'S IT--this little bow of respect for Jesus' Mother . . . I mean, without her, where would Jesus have been? So, clearly, we gotta honor her. Can't do without this little uhhh . . . side trip--to honor, respect . . . really, God . . . honor and respect, only. no bowing and scraping . . . . wellllllll, no scraping anyway.

ABLE TO RAISE UP ROCKS AS CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM . . .

Yeah, I know. And, I realize that THEORETICALLY You could have done without Mary--especially if You'd adjusted the prophecies accordingly ahead of time . . . but You didn't and so . . . we just feel these little side trips to pay HOMAGE uhhh, honor, just honor and respect and a few bows and maybe one little scraping . . . are soooo comforting. You know, God how much we take comfort in ritual and earning our own Salvation and all.

I WILL SEND YOU THE COMFORTER WHO WILL LEAD YOU INTO ALL TRUTH . . .

Yeah, well, that's all well and good Father . . . but you see, we have this here Magicsterical to lead us into all truth. And, besides, Holy Spirit doesn't have this big soft uhhhh chest . . . to nestle into . . . figuratively, of course . . . just imagine how much it means to us to imagine nestling into all that big soft warmth and understanding of Dear Mother Mary Queen of Heaven . . . Soooo familiar . . . or if not familiar, at least so lonnnnnnggged for.

SEEK HIM AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS . . . HE ALONE IS TRUTH . . . HE ALONE IS LIFE . . . HE ALONE DIED THAT YOU MIGHT LIVE ETERNALLY WITH ME . . .

Yeah, welll, Father, that's all well and good but we all kind of need all our little assists to faith . . . I mean, You don't mean us to take HIS WORD all raw and at face value without any gloves, robes, trappings, bells and whistles in between do you? Sounds kind of . . . welll . . . frightful . . . overly intense . . . I mean, THE LIVING GOD??? GOODNESS!

THAT YOU MIGHT CRY ABBA, FATHER, DADDY . . . the veil has been rent top to bottom . . . come directly into the HOLY OF HOLIES BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.

There you go again, Father, all that blood stuff. Now our Magicsterical has a different slant on that . . . we do the blood thing crawling on our knees . . . some on broken glass . . . to show our contrition before Mary and to seek her support in our petitions . . .

THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER--ONE INTERCESSOR--THE LAMB SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. HIS BLOOD IS ALL SUFFICIENT.

Wellll, yes, Father. We understand . . . sort of . . . ALL SUFFICIENT SOUNDS kind of complete but . . . welllll, it's just a bit much for us to wrap our minds and carnal habits around so our Magicsterical has graciously encouraged us to kind of use some in-between steps to sort of reach TOWARD THAT . . . without having to focus on such an AWESOME INTENSE CONSTRUCT all of a piece . . . I mean . . . ALMIGHTY GOD DAILY??? OH, DEAR. I wouldn't get half my quivering over in time to say word one in prayer. Now, whereas, Mary, all soft and warm and squeezable . . . at least in my imagination . . . is SOOOOOO approachable and all.

ACCESS TO THE FATHER . . . TO CRY ABBA, DADDY, COME UNTO ME ALL YOU WHO ARE BURDENED AND HEAVY LADEN; EXCEPT YOU COME AS LITTLE CHILDREN . . .

Wellll, exactly, Father. Just on that point, the little children part. Our Magicsterical has pointed out how suited the Queen of Heaven is in the role of facilitating all us little children in our RELIGIOUS duties . . . in such a much more approachable, comfortable, manipulatable handleable bite-sized way. I mean, approaching DADDY THROUGH CHRIST AND HIS BLOOD BY HIS SPIRIT ALL THE TIME??? What an overwhelming prospect that would be. No thanks. Just Mary and Me sees me along quite fine. Well, yes, she petitions Jesus in my behalf. She's so much better at it, you see.

WHICH PART OF "COME UNTO ME" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

33 posted on 09/04/2007 7:28:39 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: OpusatFR; NYer; ex-snook; concernedAmerican1

“Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!” ~~Mother Angelica


34 posted on 09/04/2007 7:41:58 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I don’t see any reason to apologize for Christ’s mother, or for his blood brothers.

For putting his mother in a place Christ didn’t give her and that she deplores herself, . . . would be a different issue.


35 posted on 09/04/2007 7:55:43 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Lee N. Field

Here’s an interesting added bit from:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/07/31.html

############

Recap
Fallen Angels & Biblical Prophecy
UFO researcher and student of ancient manuscripts, L. A. Marzulli shared his views on the Nephilim (fallen angels), aliens, biblical prophecy and the Apocalypse. He described a “Luciferian end game” that would take place, possibly after a nuclear attack in the Middle East— UFOs would appear over cities, and there would be full alien disclosure, crediting the ETs with evolving the human species through genetics. Yet, this will be a demonic deception, he warned, setting people up for the Antichrist.

The murders committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust were a kind of “Luciferic sacrifice” that may have opened up portals for fallen angels to enter into our realm, said Marzulli, who noted the rise in UFO sightings directly after WWII. Anomalous creatures such as Mothman may also have arrived through a portal, he conjectured.

Marzulli offered analysis of the Fatima incident of 1917 in Portugal. The apparitions seen by some 70,000 people were not of Mary of the Bible, but rather a type of deception, he believes. A fourth witness was said to have seen an additional figure— a child with stringy hair, which he related to the genetic experiments/hybrids associated with alien lore.


36 posted on 09/04/2007 8:05:43 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

** that she deplores herself, **

Your statements puzzle me.


37 posted on 09/04/2007 8:07:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

You are welcome to consider it my idiosyncratic construction on reality.

However, my basis . . . IN ADDITION TO SCRIPTURAL LOGIC

is some Heavenly visits granted folks of our era who’ve reportedly seen Mary while there etc.


38 posted on 09/04/2007 8:14:41 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

The reality is that you refuse to even consider the truth of the Catholic point of view, for which I am truly sorry. I will pray for you to have an open heart and mind.

PS, On the quote by Mother Angelica............it was not even addressed to you, but rather to the Catholics who have posted on this thread.


39 posted on 09/04/2007 8:17:16 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I don’t think you have any awareness, info or understanding at all . . . about the degree to which I’ve considered the RC position in my 60 years.

However, I appreciate caring prayers to The Lord Jesus in my behalf.

And I pray for y’all from time to time, as well.


40 posted on 09/04/2007 8:24:11 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Salvation

I do wonder . . . to what degree you have seriously considered and seriously investigated the degree to which certain aspects of the RC edifice might be wholesale wrong.


41 posted on 09/04/2007 8:25:23 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
Quix, please relax. I’ve followed your postings for some
time and even conversed with you on line. I think perhaps something
hit you somewhere somehow and you’re “boiling” back.

Stop and think what a wonderful happening for our country -
especially now that we are so in need. Prayers to Our Lady,
the Blessed Mother of Christ, from across the nation. Each
group or even individual offering prayers asking her to intercede with her divine son, Jesus to help us - save us and
our great country.

Do you know of any son that’s worth his salt denying a
request of his mother? Remember the marriage feast at Cana
where she requested his help?

I will pray for you that you at least consider all aspect's of
all faiths. They can be very beautiful.

God bless.

42 posted on 09/04/2007 10:05:17 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: AnimalLover; Alamo-Girl

THANKS BIG for your kind and thoughtful response.

I’m not aware of anything of the sort you hypothesize happening to me and me “blowing back” so to speak.

I have had, over the last 15 years or so an increasing awareness that . . . all kinds of RELIGIOUS

. . .

STUFF

. . .

just does not cut it. All the worse when it detracts from the dialogue, intensity, focus etc. on CHRIST. GOD HAS PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM . . . BY HIM WERE ALL THINGS CREATED.

The Marian distractions—at best—have become increasingly greveous to my spirit as I’ve observed the focus, energy, intensity etc. which people divert what should rightly be God’s to her.

I consider it a hideous and insideous seduction of the enemy to siphon off time, energy, focus, adoration etc. that should be CHRIST’S ALONE . . . to His mother. SHE, IF AWARE, MUST BE OUTRAGED AND AT LEAST GREATLY GRIEVED.

Christ did away with layers of priests etc. etc. etc. and an off limits Holy of Holies that we might come directly to Him and via Him even directly to ABBA, DADDY.

INSERTING MARY in the midst of that must really annoy the God-head at a minimum.

Prayer to Christ for our nation and by our nation is greatly needed—leave Mary out of it. She never inserted herself in such a role. Holy Spirit did not insert her. Christ did not insert her. The Father did not insert her.

Political folks for political ends did it. The magicsterical. I’m not impressed.

RELIGION IS DEADLY. RELIGION HAS ALWAYS BEEN DEADLY. RELIGION WILL BE DEADLY UNTIL GOD DOES AWAY WITH ALL SEMBLENCE OF IT.

HE IS AFTER RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OF US DIRECTLY.

Mary is a distrraction from that . . . AT BEST.

imho, of course.


43 posted on 09/04/2007 10:26:47 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I ate a potato chip that looked like Pope Benedict the other day. Beats your cloud formation by a mile.


44 posted on 09/04/2007 10:33:19 PM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: Quix

The Fatima story is a bunch of baloney. Grow up.


45 posted on 09/04/2007 10:34:44 PM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: BuckeyeForever

Have you REALLY READ

ANYTHING

I’ve written?

Your comment is utterly off the wall and shows a rather shocking lack of knowledge about the poster and his efforts . . . that you’re responding to.


46 posted on 09/04/2007 10:43:25 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
No where in the Bible does it say Mary is without sin.

In fact, it says the opposite:

Blasphemous dogma, “sinless Mary”< detracts from the sinlessness of Christ, who ALONE was born of a virgin and immaculate. The Bible nowhere says Mary was sinless. It says “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). The only exception is the Lord Jesus Christ, who alone is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens” (Heb. 7:26). Mary knew her own sin and acknowledged her need of a Saviour (Luke 1:47). None of the Lord’s Apostles exalted Mary; none of them applied to her such titles as sinless, immaculate, ever-virgin, Mother of God, Blessed Virgin, Holy Queen, Queen of Heaven, Our Lady, Co-Redemptress, Immaculate Virgin, etc. The Apostles taught us that Jesus Christ ALONE is the Mediator between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5). The Roman Catholic Church’s doctrine of Mary is blasphemous error. Mary cannot answer prayer. She cannot aid in man’s salvation. She cannot intercede with Christ in behalf of God’s people. She is not Queen of Heaven. The only Queen of Heaven mentioned in Scripture is an Old Testament idol (Jeremiah 44:18-19). Every prayer addressed to Mary is idolatry. If the Roman Catholic Church did not hold any false doctrine other than its dogmas pertaining to Mary, the Bible would require us to reject it as a false church on this basis alone.

When we look at the genealogy of Christ in Luke 3, which is the genealogy from Mary’s side, we see that God takes Mary’s genealogy all the way back to Adam which means she, like every human being, was a descendant of Adam which carries the sinful Adamic nature. Does the Bible bear this out? Let us see how many (pre-salvific) righteous people there are in the world.

(Rom 3:23 KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

ALL includes, Mary!

Notice the term which God uses in this verse, “all have sinned.” God is not saying some or a few or even the majority, He is definite in His usage of “ALL.” This means that Mary was part of that “all.” Below in 1 John 3:4 we see the biblical definition of sin which is the transgression of God’s law. There is no division of sin into either venial or mortal classifications but only one class and that is sin. (James 2:10 KJV) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Since Mary was part of the human race at that time, she was guilty of sin as every other human being was.

(1 John 3:4 KJV) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Since Mary was born before Jesus (obviously) we should also look for confirmation of the fact of universal sin and how everyone is affected by it, no matter who we are.

(1 Ki 8:46 KJV) If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

Here we see this verse included in a passage of Scripture detailing Solomon’s dedication of the temple which puts this verse about 900 years before Mary’s birth. God is also detailing the fact that there is not one who does not sin.

(Psa 14:1-3 KJV) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. {2} The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. {3} They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

See also Psalm 53:1-3

Here we have Psalm 14 which is another OT proof that God’s assessment of all humans is the same, that there is none that does any good or no one which does not sin. The Bible has a uniformity on this matter doesn’t it?

(Psa 58:3-4 KJV) The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. {4} Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

Here is a verse which details when human beings start to sin. It informs us that we begin to sin as soon as we are born. This means that Mary did not have an immaculate conception, rather, she was subject to the same sinful nature everyone else was and that right from the womb.

(Rom 3:10-20 KJV) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: {11} There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. {12} They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. {13} Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: {14} Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: {15} Their feet are swift to shed blood: {16} Destruction and misery are in their ways: {17} And the way of peace have they not known: {18} There is no fear of God before their eyes. {19} Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. {20} Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Here is probably the most succinct description of the entire pre-salvific human being. God takes the quotes from Psalm 14 & 53 and brings it into the New Testament because He wants to show that just because we live on the New Testament side of the cross does not mean we are exempt from sin and its catastrophic effects. God re-emphasizes the fact of universal sin but also includes how heinous that sins makes a person in His sight and why salvation is needed so badly. People who think they are good in God’s sight are brought back to reality when they read this revealing passage. Mary too was part of this description of the human race since she was part of the human race.

(Gal 3:22 KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

We will take this verse as our final verse in this section showing that the entire human race was plunged into sin because of Adam’s sin. This verse does not reveal any exceptions to the universality of sin.

Mary Needed A Savior!
(Luke 1:47 KJV) And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Here is an extremely revealing verse taken from her magnificat. If Mary was born without sin, then she would have been able to fulfill the demands of God’s holy law without the benefit of a substitutionary atonement. In essence, she would have no sin and therefore would be perfect before God. That is not what the Scriptures are teaching, they are telling us that Mary needed a Savior which means she was under the curse of sin with the rest of the world and had to be atoned for before she could even consider going to Heaven, never mind, carry the Lord Jesus from a Holy Spirit conception.

Mary is not a mediatrix!
(1 Tim 2:5 KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Those in the Roman Catholic Church teach that Mary is a mediator between Jesus and us. This teaching is erroneous because the Bible teaches that Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man. The Bible does not teach anywhere that the redeemed of God in Heaven have any intercessory authority or ministry for those still remaining on earth.

Mary Was not a Perpetual Virgin!
(Mark 6:1-3 KJV) And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. {2} And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? {3} Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

(Mat 13:54-56 KJV) And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? {55} Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? {56} And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

Another teaching which the Roman Church teaches is that Mary remained a perpetual virgin. The Bible refutes this in the two passages which I have listed here. The Bible teaches that Jesus had brothers and sisters, and if Mary was the mother of Jesus, then these men and women named in these Scriptures were from the same woman, namely Mary. Notice how God specifically names Mary as their mother. The perpetual virginity of Mary is a fallacy which does not exist in history nor the Bible. If someone chooses to believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, they must do so in opposition of Scripture, a dangerous place to be.

Quix, if you want to deny what GOD states, rather clearly in the Bible, that is up to you. Just understand that others who are Christians, know and see what you post as blasphemy.

47 posted on 09/05/2007 6:38:53 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: LiteKeeper

EXACTLY.


48 posted on 09/05/2007 6:52:37 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Lee N. Field

Call him ‘satan.’ HE is the master deceiver and manipulator.


49 posted on 09/05/2007 6:53:59 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: nmh

When I see them honor Jesus in this way....


50 posted on 09/05/2007 6:57:16 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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