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To: topcat54; XeniaSt
Not exactly. From Paul's perspective "are" would be correct since the temple was still standing and the temporal/temporary Levitical priesthood was still ministering according to the bloody requirements of the old covenant, the covenant that was decaying and passing away.

That makes no sense.

In the first place Paul wasn't decrying the Lord's holy days. He was telling fellow Christians not to let others judge them in HOW they were observing them.

You MUST believe Paul was either a liar or stupid if you think he was telling others not to observe the Lord's holy days.

This is because whatever Paul was addressing in Galatians 2 had specific, identifying elements:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The Lord's holy days are NOT philosophy, but scriptural commands of the Lord. The only scripture Paul had was the "old" testament.

They are not "traditions of men", but holy days created by the God of the universe.

They are NOT "rudiments of the world", but holy objects of the divine.

Paul surely knew this. Do you think he was lying, or just stupid? Paul, who was under the new covenant, is addressing other Christians, who are also under the new covenant. You're saying AD70 was the fulfillment of the "days of vengeance" meted out against unrepentant Israel.

16 posted on 09/10/2007 8:15:10 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; XeniaSt
That makes no sense.

I agree that makes no sense if your presuppositions are pushing you in a different direction.

In the first place Paul wasn't decrying the Lord's holy days. … This is because whatever Paul was addressing in Galatians 2 had specific, identifying elements:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Let’s not back up to verse 8 and miss the immediate context.

“16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”

Any unbiased reader would reasonably conclude Paul was speaking of the old covenant festival days, new moon celebrations, and annual sabbaths, etc.

They are not "traditions of men", but holy days created by the God of the universe.

Sorry to confuse you. By “traditions of men” I mean the traditions that are practiced today without any warrant from the Word of God. The fact remains that God’s has nowhere commanded modern day messianics to observe “feast days” apart from the temple and the priesthood and the land. They way you do things today are “traditions” since you have obviously ignored the “jots and tittles” of Moses’ commandments and replaced them with practices of convenience. (E.g., where does God in His Word allow uncircumcised gentiles into the Passover? Or perhaps your group does not celebrate the “passover” with gentiles present.)

Do you think he was lying, or just stupid?

Neither. I just think you do not thoroughly understand Paul and his zeal to tear down the middle wall of partition and the racial barriers that divided Jews and gentiles.

19 posted on 09/10/2007 8:58:23 PM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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