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To: DouglasKC; Campion; kevinw
I believe the new testament is inspired scripture.

And where in the NT are you commanded by God to set aside Exodus 12:43-45 and eat the “passover” with uncircumcised gentiles?

Poppycock. I would say that most messianic groups are well acquainted with the book of Hebrews and know exactly what has been changed in the law and follow that along with the biblical examples in the rest of the NT.

Obviously they do not if they are still following practices defined by the Levitical priesthood which were only appropriate while the temple was standing in Jerusalem. That system decayed and passed away. You cannot separate the Levitical feasts from the sacrificial system, since there is absolutely no warrant in the Word to do so. That is a late tradition of men, but is denied by the substance of Hebrews.

I don't consider myself a messianic jew, but either a natural Israelite or gentile baptized into the body of Christ.

I do not know what that means.

Clearly you don't understand that there is nothing in scripture that says Peter couldn't eat and associate with gentiles. But it WAS (and still is in some forms of Judaism) that the very act of being in a gentile house would make you unclean. That's NOT in scripture and that's why Peter was chastised.

Actually, you are wrong. Paul says that Peter was living “as a gentile”, not merely with gentiles.

“14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?” (Gal. 2)

Peter, at least when he was in Galatia, recognized his freedom in Christ to eat or not eat “kosher” as the circumstances dictated (based on his experience in Acts 10). He could live like a gentile if he wished. He was no longer bound by the ceremonial requirements of the Mosaic code. Notice that Paul never chastised Peter for eating gentile food. He opposed him for his hypocrisy when he withdrew from the gentiles at the appearance of the Judaizers from Jerusalem.

34 posted on 09/11/2007 8:21:20 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: topcat54
And where in the NT are you commanded by God to set aside Exodus 12:43-45 and eat the “passover” with uncircumcised gentiles?

\ God gave his holy spirit to uncircumcised gentiles. Paul taught:

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

So where do you read that we are to forget and ignore the holy days of our Lord?

You cannot separate the Levitical feasts from the sacrificial system, since there is absolutely no warrant in the Word to do so. That is a late tradition of men, but is denied by the substance of Hebrews.

Paul had no problem with it. He recognized that a change in the priesthood didn't mean that you tossed out the whole of the bible. In Hebrews, it was SPELLED out what was changed. The book was written to let early Christians KNOW what the new covenant did. And the fact that it's documented that Paul kept the feasts is evidence enough.

I don't consider myself a messianic jew, but either a natural Israelite or gentile baptized into the body of Christ. I do not know what that means.

I don't consider myself a Jewish person who believes that Christ is the messiah. I'm either a gentile or a natural descendant of Israel who has been baptized into the Israel of God, into the body of Christ.

Actually, you are wrong. Paul says that Peter was living “as a gentile”, not merely with gentiles. “14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?” (Gal. 2)

There was a VAST difference between the ways a Pharasitical Jew lived and the way a gentile lived even without considering food to be eaten. They had, and still have, rules about utensils, kitchens, food preparation, how animals are killed, etc. Kosher rules developed by the Jewish religion covers MUCH more that what is actually in scripture.

Peter, at least when he was in Galatia, recognized his freedom in Christ to eat or not eat “kosher” as the circumstances dictated (based on his experience in Acts 10). He could live like a gentile if he wished. He was no longer bound by the ceremonial requirements of the Mosaic code. Notice that Paul never chastised Peter for eating gentile food.

Again you're mixing up scriptural with non-scriptural. Peter NEVER ate animal flesh that scripture defined as unclean. But the very act of eating a clean animal prepared by a gentile in a gentile home would have been abhorrent to an observant Jew.

36 posted on 09/11/2007 8:57:12 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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