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To: topcat54
What is confusing? Paul is speaking metaphorically, and is using language similar to what we see in places like Heb. 8:5 and 10:1. Just as the earthly temple was a “copy or shadow” ( skiav) of the heavenly, so too the ceremonials were a mere shadow of Christ. Once the true temple of God appeared, then the earthly temple was destroyed by God. The “shadow” of the temple no longer exists (it was obliterated by God in AD70) because the substance (Christ Himself, John 2:16, and the Church; 1 Cor. 3:16,17; 2 Cor. 6:16) has appeared. The same is true of the “shadow” of the ceremonials.

The substance, Christ, has appeared so the shadow no longer exists, having been overcome by the glory of His appearing. The copy cannot exist in the presence of the reality.

You're contradicting yourself. So back to "ARE". Christ appeared, was crucified and resurrected at least a decade before Paul wrote Colossians. According to you, the copy (the holy days) NO longer existed. Yet:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

Paul doesn't buy your explanation.

37 posted on 09/11/2007 9:01:45 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Campion; kevinw
You're contradicting yourself.

Not at all. I’m merely disagreeing with your flawed interpretation of the text at hand. It is quite plain, and try as you might to explain away Paul’s wring in our past about things in his present saying “are”, the substance of Col 2:17,18 stands. Those who follow the Mosaic code and trouble other with the same are living “under the law” and are self-condemned.

Paul lived in a world that we do not live in today. Paul lived in a world caught between two covenants. The old was decayed and fading away, and the new was being established in the Church by the blood of Christ.

Just as Israel wandered in the wilderness as the generation who sinned against God at Sinai were purged, so the generation of Jesus’ contemporary Jews in Judea were being purged. The righteous became Christians and entered into the Body adopting practices consistent with a new nation made up of both Jews and gentiles. The unrighteous were judged for their treatment of the son of the Landowner.

The old covenant system was finally and forever destroyed in AD70 with the destruction of the temple. Those who wish to live by old covenant ways are simply living in the past.

40 posted on 09/11/2007 11:36:15 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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