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To: DouglasKC; Campion; kevinw
God gave his holy spirit to uncircumcised gentiles.

So?? Where did God say that gentiles who are circumcised only in their heart may attend to the “passover”? I do not read that anywhere in the Mosaic code. This seems to be another tradition of men based purely on circumstances.

So where do you read that we are to forget and ignore the holy days of our Lord?

We do not ignore them. We see them as fulfilled perfectly and obediently in Christ. When we celebrate Christ’s work we celebrate all to which the Mosaic feasts pointed.

And we do not pretend that keeping such ersatz feast days as are common today in any way fulfills the command of God. Such pretentiousness has no warrant in Scripture. It is a vain sort of thing based on zeal without knowledge.

So where do you read that we are to forget and ignore the holy days of our Lord?

You seem to be missing the purely spiritual nature of 1 Cor. 5:7,8. First of all, it says that Christ is our Passover. He is the one to Whom the Mosaic Passover pointed. The Mosaic Passover was the shadow and Christ is the substance.

Second, it tells us how to keep this “feast” (i.e., Christ our Passover), with the “unleavened bread of sincerity and truth”. Paul is not speaking at all about the old ceremonies with animal sacrifices and physically unleavened bread. He is speaking spiritually of how we are to approach the throne of Christ. He is our Passover. We do not need to keep the “passover” of men.

We see similar spiritual language by Paul in places like Romans 12:1, “I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.”

Peter NEVER ate animal flesh that scripture defined as unclean.

That’s exactly what Paul said he did. You can disagree with Paul if you wish, but his words could not be plainer. Why don’t you deal with the actual text and explain it to us.

39 posted on 09/11/2007 11:25:39 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: topcat54
God gave his holy spirit to uncircumcised gentiles.
So?? Where did God say that gentiles who are circumcised only in their heart may attend to the “passover”? I do not read that anywhere in the Mosaic code. This seems to be another tradition of men based purely on circumstances.

You don't believe Paul had authority from Christ to allow uncircumcised gentiles to take the Lord's supper?

We do not ignore them. We see them as fulfilled perfectly and obediently in Christ. When we celebrate Christ’s work we celebrate all to which the Mosaic feasts pointed.

That's nice. Not scriptural, but a nice way to feel good about not obeying the Lord.

You seem to be missing the purely spiritual nature of 1 Cor. 5:7,8. First of all, it says that Christ is our Passover. He is the one to Whom the Mosaic Passover pointed. The Mosaic Passover was the shadow and Christ is the substance.

Exactly.

Second, it tells us how to keep this “feast” (i.e., Christ our Passover), with the “unleavened bread of sincerity and truth”. Paul is not speaking at all about the old ceremonies with animal sacrifices and physically unleavened bread.

Exactly, except that physical lessons reinforce spiritual lessons. For example, honoring the Lord by observing his Passover reminds us every year of the sacrifice of Christ. Celebrating the days of unleavened bread by avoiding leavening teaches and reminds us to seek out and remove sin from our lives so we can have the "unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

He is speaking spiritually of how we are to approach the throne of Christ. He is our Passover. We do not need to keep the “passover” of men.

Not of men. But by recognizing that the Lord still has a purpose for his holy days it teaches us, it makes us his disciples.

Peter NEVER ate animal flesh that scripture defined as unclean.
That’s exactly what Paul said he did. You can disagree with Paul if you wish, but his words could not be plainer. Why don’t you deal with the actual text and explain it to us.

Paul never said that Peter ate the flesh of animals designated unclean by the Lord. Paul didn't even say that the gentiles were sitting around eating pork chops. All of this is just your supposition based upon projection of your beliefs back to biblical times. Pharasetical jews had established an onerous system of rules and regulations for dealing with gentiles. Nearly all were non-scriptural. To believe this requires that all you do a little bit of study about Judaism and especially of that period.

41 posted on 09/11/2007 12:39:23 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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