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Prophesied Destruction Of Damascus Imminent?
WorldNetDaily ^ | September 21, 2007 | Hal Lindsey

Posted on 09/21/2007 12:20:09 PM PDT by Fennie

A stunning report published by Jane's Defense Weekly confirms rumors of a July explosion at a Syrian military base at al-Safir, near Aleppo, in which reportedly "dozens" of Iranian engineers were killed along with their Syrian counterparts. Syria had originally dismissed reports of the explosion by saying the blast was generated by the desert heat causing the accidental detonation of a stockpile of explosives. Jane's reported that the explosion was actually triggered while the engineers were fitting a chemical warhead onto a Scud-C missile. The explosion and fire released containers of the deadly nerve agents VX and sarin gas, as well as a mustard gas blistering agent. Israeli Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter told reporters this week, "Iran has entered into strategic cooperation with Syria on conventional and nonconventional weapons development," adding, "The Iranians are very big in Syria"...

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TOPICS: Current Events
KEYWORDS: damascus; endtimes; hallindsey; islam; israel; jihad; prophecy; syria

1 posted on 09/21/2007 12:20:14 PM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Hal Lindsey, huh?


2 posted on 09/21/2007 12:22:21 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Fennie

I can’t think of a better and more deserving group of people to die that these Syrian and Iranian engineers.

I’m only disappointed that so few died.


3 posted on 09/21/2007 12:22:33 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: AppyPappy

He’s still insisting that Y2K is going to bring all technology to a screeching halt.


4 posted on 09/21/2007 12:27:39 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Fennie

But, But this can’t be true the Baathist are Sunni and the Iranians are Shite. The dhimocrats and the MSM all told me they won’t cooperate.


5 posted on 09/21/2007 12:28:58 PM PDT by federal
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To: Fennie

Isaiah 17
An Oracle Against Damascus
1 An oracle concerning Damascus:
“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.

2 The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.

3 The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,”
declares the LORD Almighty.

4 “In that day the glory of Jacob will fade;
the fat of his body will waste away.

5 It will be as when a reaper gathers the standing grain
and harvests the grain with his arm—
as when a man gleans heads of grain
in the Valley of Rephaim.

6 Yet some gleanings will remain,
as when an olive tree is beaten,
leaving two or three olives on the topmost branches,
four or five on the fruitful boughs,”
declares the LORD, the God of Israel.

7 In that day men will look to their Maker
and turn their eyes to the Holy One of Israel.

8 They will not look to the altars,
the work of their hands,
and they will have no regard for the Asherah poles [a]
and the incense altars their fingers have made.

9 In that day their strong cities, which they left because of the Israelites, will be like places abandoned to thickets and undergrowth. And all will be desolation.

10 You have forgotten God your Savior;
you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress.
Therefore, though you set out the finest plants
and plant imported vines,

11 though on the day you set them out, you make them grow,
and on the morning when you plant them, you bring them to bud,
yet the harvest will be as nothing
in the day of disease and incurable pain.

12 Oh, the raging of many nations—
they rage like the raging sea!
Oh, the uproar of the peoples—
they roar like the roaring of great waters!

13 Although the peoples roar like the roar of surging waters,
when he rebukes them they flee far away,
driven before the wind like chaff on the hills,
like tumbleweed before a gale.

14 In the evening, sudden terror!
Before the morning, they are gone!
This is the portion of those who loot us,
the lot of those who plunder us.

Footnotes:

1. Isaiah 17:8 That is, symbols of the goddess Asherah


6 posted on 09/21/2007 12:29:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Fennie
Wow, Hal Lindsay just happens to scoop every other world media organization with a fantastic story that coincidentally fits right in with this week's end time scenario.

I finally learned to disregard "headline chasers" when studying eschatology but I'll have to admit I still read them as a guilty pleasure, like twinkies. Both have no nutritional value (physically or spiritually) but they sure are entertaining.

7 posted on 09/21/2007 12:29:34 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: Fennie
Hal Lindsey, WND, and End Times prophecy.

The only thing missing is Bat Boy, and he's out of a job. I bet Joe Farah could hire him for cheap!

8 posted on 09/21/2007 12:34:04 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: joebuck
I still read them as a guilty pleasure, like twinkies

I've never read a twinky.....

9 posted on 09/21/2007 12:35:01 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: theDentist

All the end times prophets did ,is to convince the decent folk who listened, to withdraw from the debate and sit it out.Thus,yielding the floor to the godless movements which would lead to the erosion we have now in our morals and society.If you check the time line,the left made its biggest incursions while Oral Roberts,Billy Grahman et al began to get up on the end time message.Great for revivals ,but I think with only a few exceptions(moral majority),the Christians began to yield the country over to the left.Hey the end is coming,why even try?


10 posted on 09/21/2007 12:37:12 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: r9etb
"I've never read a twinky....."

DON'T - - or you'll never eat another. (just what is "partly hydrogenated vegetable oil?)

11 posted on 09/21/2007 12:38:47 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: Red Badger

That’s not end-times prophecy; it already happened, long ago. The new city of Damscus, and, indeed, IIRC, even the Damascus of Jesus’ time, was rebuilt since then.


12 posted on 09/21/2007 12:42:18 PM PDT by dangus
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To: joebuck

(just what is “partly hydrogenated vegetable oil?)

Goo.

And it’s the main ingredient in peanut butter, but not twinkies... anymore, anyway.

And twinkies just haven’t been worth the calories since they got rid of it. (The filling, once like frosting, is now like a sticky ooze.)


13 posted on 09/21/2007 12:43:56 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

There’s and old Jewish saying, “Whatever God does, he does twice!”..................


14 posted on 09/21/2007 12:44:49 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: redstateconfidential

Jesus is coming soon... look busy!


15 posted on 09/21/2007 12:45:22 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: dangus
That’s not end-times prophecy; it already happened, long ago. The new city of Damascus, and, indeed, IIRC, even the Damascus of Jesus’ time, was rebuilt since then.

Your statement is incorrect- The key idea of this prophecy is that Damascus is utterly destroyed, never to be inhabited again. It can also be taken to mean that Syria itself will lose it's crown, or that Syria will cease to be as a sovereign nation for all time.

Neither of these have occurred, even to this very day.

16 posted on 09/21/2007 12:51:46 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: federal
Actually, the Ba’athists in Syria, who run the country, are Shiites. They are only 18% of the population. The Sunnis in Syria make up 75-80% of the population. It is a mirror image of the religious make up in Iraq under the Saddam's Ba’athists regime. The Ba’athists have to be heavy handed to keep the majorities under control. Assad would use the chemical weapons on them long before he would use them on the Israelis. Of course, if mounted on scud missiles, he could fire them into Iraq against US bases if his Iranian bosses told him to.
17 posted on 09/21/2007 12:51:52 PM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Fennie

Damascus should have been destroyed for the (?)th time on Sept. 12, 2001.


18 posted on 09/21/2007 12:52:49 PM PDT by Roccus (Hillary........brought to you by the PRC)
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To: roamer_1
Syria wasn't a sovereign nation since before ..... well, a really long time.

They've only been "sovereign" since the middle of the 20th century.

That circumstance enables Damascus to be destroyed again!

Like the O.J. scandal blending into the Smith scandal, you get prophecies "recycled" over and over and over.

19 posted on 09/21/2007 1:04:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RedEyeJack
The fellows who run the show in Syria are ALAWI, not Shia.

They share many elements in common with both Sunni and Shia Moslems, but they also share elements with Christianity and Judaism, andprobably even more "Old Time Religion".

On a challenge one Freeper found a single source (that claimed he was a trained Mullah) on the internet that would claim the Alawi were actually Moslem. Virtually all Moslems hold that the Alawi are NOT Moslem.

20 posted on 09/21/2007 1:07:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dangus

Seems to be so. What is more recent is that the Crusaders never conquered Damascus.


21 posted on 09/21/2007 1:12:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000', oil above 82, 83, 84, 81: unexplained)
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To: muawiyah
Like the O.J. scandal blending into the Smith scandal, you get prophecies "recycled" over and over and over.

Indeed. But the very existence of Damascus today proves in fact that the prophecy is not fulfilled.

22 posted on 09/21/2007 1:12:51 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: roamer_1

They had to rebuild the town several times over the millenia. One of the oldest places around where you can sometimes “have a good time”.


23 posted on 09/21/2007 1:15:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: redstateconfidential
All the end times prophets did ,is to convince the decent folk who listened, to withdraw from the debate and sit it out.Thus,yielding the floor to the godless movements which would lead to the erosion we have now in our morals and society.

I can't bring myself to agree with you. While I recognize that "awareness of the end times" and the "godless movement" grew up at roughly the same time, I do not agree that one was necessarily causal to the other. One must consider that prophetically the reestablished Israel (pointer to the beginning of the end-times), and the great "falling away" could be happening in the same breath as opposing forces.

One must also consider that the "falling away" in this country is not the beginning of the "falling away" itself, Christian Europe having begun it's decline arguably as soon as the French Revolution.

24 posted on 09/21/2007 1:29:38 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: redstateconfidential
All the end times prophets did ,is to convince the decent folk who listened, to withdraw from the debate and sit it out.Thus,yielding the floor to the godless movements which would lead to the erosion we have now in our morals and society.

I can't bring myself to agree with you. While I recognize that "awareness of the end times" and the "godless movement" grew up at roughly the same time, I do not agree that one was necessarily causal to the other. One must consider that prophetically the reestablished Israel (pointer to the beginning of the end-times), and the great "falling away" could be happening in the same breath as opposing forces.

One must also consider that the "falling away" in this country is not the beginning of the "falling away" itself, Christian Europe having begun it's decline arguably as soon as the French Revolution.

25 posted on 09/21/2007 1:29:42 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: roamer_1

sorry for the DP...


26 posted on 09/21/2007 1:30:39 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: Fennie
Oracle of Damascus. "Damascus has never been destroyed.", so they say.

It might be worth your while to review the life and conquests of Tiglath-Pileser III.

27 posted on 09/21/2007 1:41:07 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: joebuck
just what is "partly hydrogenated vegetable oil?

Hint: It's probably less healthy for you than pure lard.

28 posted on 09/21/2007 2:23:45 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: AppyPappy
Hal Lindsey, huh?

No...The Prophet Isaiah...

29 posted on 09/21/2007 6:06:05 PM PDT by Iscool (Was the doctor that would have found the cure for cancer aborted as a baby???)
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To: roamer_1

>> It can also be taken to mean that Syria itself will lose it’s crown, or that Syria will cease to be as a sovereign nation for all time. <<

Once Damascus fell, Syria never became its own nation again until 1945... about 3,000 years later. And in that time it has been dominated by the Soviet Union, Egypt, and Iran.


30 posted on 09/21/2007 8:47:39 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
Once Damascus fell, Syria never became its own nation again until 1945... about 3,000 years later.

I could argue that even as it was dominated, Syria has almost always retained it's identity. It's usual state of existence has been as a vassal state through Rome and Alexander, the Selucids, Egypt, etc.. Even during the Ottoman empire the area was still known as Syria, and it was almost always governed from Damascus or from Antioch.

But all of that is beside the point- as the prophecy against Damascus suggests utter destruction for all time... Yet here it is... Syria is sovereign, and Damascus is inhabited.

It's existence suggests the prophecy is not fulfilled.

31 posted on 09/21/2007 11:48:38 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: roamer_1

“Damascus” refers to a nation, the way we now refer to “Washington” to denote the United States. Hence, her CITIES will be abandoned. What sense does it make to say that a city’s cities will be adandoned, unless we recognize that city to be in a hierarchy over other cities?

“Her cities shall be forever abandoned,” then do not mean that they shall always be abandoned by all of mankind, but just that they shall always be adandoned by her. Maybe not even that they shall always be depopulated by her, but even simply deprived of her.

In fact, the “remnants of Aram (the Aramites)” have had “the same glory of the Israelites.” What “glory” does Isaiah refer to? The utter destruction of them as a people, for just as Israel was destroyed before Isaiah, by the Aramite Assyrians, the Aramites would be destoyed by the Babylonians. So partly, the use of the term “glory” is meant with irony, since Israel had long ago fallen. OTOH, today the Aramites are a most persistently Christian people, and their persistent can easily be compared to the modern Jews.

But these near-term events will be in opposition to Israel, so they cannot be end-of-days: “On that day, the glory of Jacob will fade, ... In that day, man will look to his maker, his eyes turned towards the Holy One of Israel.”

See? These are JEWS in Damascus Isaiah is preaching to! They abandoned their faith under foreign domination, and Isaiah is foretelling that their conquerers will be conquered again, by an even worse rulers. WHat he was referring to was the iminent invasion of Assyria by Babylon, which resulted in the Jews in Damascus ceasing to exist.

From then on, Assyria would never again exist, nor would Damascus be peopled by Aramites, nor by Jews. Aramites, also known as Assyrians or Syriacs, are not related to the Arabs who dominate Syria, nor is Syria the same as Assyria. (There is even debate whether or not they are etymologically related.)

Though the “remnant” Aramites survive to this day, in Iraq, Turkey, Syria, the Caucasus, Jordan, and Lebanon, Syria is Arab, not Aramite.


32 posted on 09/22/2007 6:47:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Iscool

>> No...The Prophet Isaiah... <<
Or at least Hal Lindsey-esque interpretations of the prophet Isaiah.


33 posted on 09/22/2007 6:48:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; roamer_1
What sense does it make to say that a city’s cities will be adandoned, unless we recognize that city to be in a hierarchy over other cities?

I guess you've never been to Los Angeles.

34 posted on 09/22/2007 8:26:57 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: dangus; Iscool
Or at least Hal Lindsey-esque interpretations of the prophet Isaiah.

Why anyone would continue to listen to this discredited pop prophecy preacher is beyond me. He hasn't gotten one right since ... never.

35 posted on 09/22/2007 1:47:49 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: Fennie
Prophesied Destruction Of Damascus....

Nah. Just rip hell out of the leadership structure.

36 posted on 09/22/2007 4:43:20 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: dangus
"The utter destruction of them as a people, for just as Israel was destroyed before Isaiah, by the Aramite Assyrians, the Aramites would be destroyed by the Babylonians."

You are confusing Assur and Aram. Assyria was made up of them both. "Assyrians" were invaders from the northern land of Assur (thought to be on the eastern coast of the Black Sea), and were an elite class over the (more-or-less native) Aramites, who had naturally drifted south and east from their origins (probably Turkey).

AFAIR, when Babylon conquered Assyria, it didn't exactly conquer Assur, but merely drove them far to the north, back to their ancestral lands, but did receive dominion over the land of Syria and the Aramites.

So one could also suggest that the prophecy against Damascus was against the people of Assur rather than the people of Aram, who have continued much as you have described through a long series of dominant empires. It hardly seems fair to punish the underclass for what their overlords had done.

The most straightforward reading of the prophecy would be in the most literal sense. It also seems to take place at a time when Ephraim returns to occupy his native soil, and i so populous that he spills out into all the regions South of Damascus, as reported in Isaiah and Zechariah (among others).

I believe that time to be the aftermath of the War of Gog and Magog, yet prior to the time of the end.

37 posted on 09/22/2007 6:26:59 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: roamer_1

>> The most straightforward reading of the prophecy would be in the most literal sense. <<

I don’t get either sense as being more “literal.” There’s ambiguity as to what “Damascus” refers to, and who’s abandoning Damascus’ cities, not a sense of one meaning being more literal than another.

And I don’t find your distinction between Aram and Assur supported; in any case, what I wrote about the Aramites holds true for the Assurites, so your distinction changes nothing. (I researched Aram, finding that they were Assurites, which redircted my to Assyrians, and them proceeded to describe what became of them.) In any sense, the reason I refered to Aram is because that’s who the prophecy on Damascus specifically refers to. It certainly would be wierd to refer to Aram and the Aramaic city of Damascus when what was meant was the Assurites, who still kept Assur as their religious capital, no?


38 posted on 09/22/2007 8:51:23 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
I agree that there is some ambiguity.

Aramites were sons of Aram, son of Shem, son of Noah.
Assurites were sons of Assur, son of Shem, son of Noah.

These were nations (countries) as found in the Table of Nations (Gen 10). They are not the same thing.

Another point to contend is that the "cities of Aroer" are not Syrian cities- Aroer is a city of northern Moab, far south of Syrian land.

AFAIR,the "Valley of Rephaim" is south of Jerusalem and drains eventually into the Vally of Jehoshaphat above the Dead Sea.

This is not simply about Damascus, but rather the Damascus Prophecy is one of a number of "oracles" within this chapter.

And yet another aspect:

Isaiah 17:9 (KJV)
In that day shall his strong cities be as a forsaken bough, and an uppermost branch, which they left because of the children of Israel: and there shall be desolation.

What cities lie barren because of the Children of Israel? What cities did Isreal cause to be desolate?

39 posted on 09/22/2007 10:48:34 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Vote for FrudyMcRomson -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: Fennie
I'm curious. When did this become part of the dispensational mythos? Both Scofield Bible v. 1 (pre Hiroshima) nor v. 2 (post Hiroshima) view IS 17 as mostly about then current Assyrian goings on. Harmageddon is mentioned, but the notes don't say why.
40 posted on 09/25/2007 5:52:36 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: joebuck

I have been studying Bible prophecy for more than 30 years. I knew when the time came near someone would say exactly what you’ve just said — that this particular prophecy was just conveniently being mentioned.

Believe me...those of who who believe prophecy have known this was coming for a long, long time. No one, especially not Lindsay, is just dropping a convenient prophecy.

The Lord gave prophecy to warn — when you see these things happening, understand that it was mentioned long ago by the Lord for YOUR benefit.


41 posted on 10/23/2007 1:23:39 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo
"I have been studying Bible prophecy for more than 30 years."

Yeah, so have I. So have dozens of other theologians who I respect very much. The thing is, these dozens of respected Pastors and theologians have dozens of takes on Bible prophecy and each one can totally document their position with scripture. There are also hundreds of hacks who selectively interpret prophecy literally and figuratively, as needed, to get where they wanted to be in the first place. So hey, maybe Hal is right this time. Maybe all of those dozens of failed predictions of his were just a fluke and this time he's right on the money. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

42 posted on 10/23/2007 1:50:02 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: theDentist
He’s still insisting that Y2K is going to bring all technology to a screeching halt.

It would have had if it had not been mitigated.

43 posted on 10/23/2007 1:52:28 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: joebuck

One sure way to know for sure...when it plays out. One thing is for certain, there’s too much happening — too much coming together as scripture said it would — for it to be a coincidence.


44 posted on 10/23/2007 2:09:17 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: freepertoo

Perhaps. All I can do trust in Jesus Christ and work on my sanctification through prayer and following his word. Everything else will play out exactly as it’s supposed to.


45 posted on 10/23/2007 2:17:36 PM PDT by joebuck
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