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Joni Mitchell Attacks Catholic Church
Fox News ^ | September 24, 2007 | Roger Friedman

Posted on 09/25/2007 7:24:04 AM PDT by NYer

Joni Mitchell is back after nine years, and she’s on the attack. In the title track to her new album, “Shine,” Mitchell takes a nice swipe at the Catholic Church by name.

“Shine on the Catholic Church/And the prisons that it owns,” she sings. “Shine on all the Churches/that love less and less.”

Mitchell was never one to mince words, but in her triumphant return on Starbucks’ Hear Records, she doesn’t give an inch.

In “Shine,” she continues: “Shine on lousy leadership/Licensed to kill/Shine on dying soldiers/In patriotic pain/Shine on mass destruction/In some God's name!”

Mitchell’s album will be something of a revelation to young people who might buy it at Starbucks when it’s released Tuesday if they listen to it and read the lyrics.

Mitchell, the original singer-songwriter, presents herself in stark contrast to the dodo-brained warblers of this generation. She’s cynical and doesn’t mind expressing it.

In my favorite song, “Bad Dreams,” she begins by painting a happy picture: “The cats are in the flower bed/A red hawk rides the sky/I guess I should be happy/Just to be alive...”

But then the other foot falls, and it’s a doozy. When I first heard the next line, I actually laughed out loud. All I could think was, You tell ‘em, Joni:

“But we have poisoned everything/And oblivious to it all/The cell phone zombies babble/Through the shopping malls…”

And that’s just for starters. She observes: “You cannot be trusted/Do you even know you're lying/It's dangerous to kid yourself/You go deaf and dumb and blind.”

Mitchell plays nearly all the instruments on the album herself, and does all the singing. And while the lyrics are harsh indictments of modern culture, Mitchell serves them up with grace and style.

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1 posted on 09/25/2007 7:24:07 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/25/2007 7:24:53 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Sad.


3 posted on 09/25/2007 7:26:20 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: andyandval

ping


4 posted on 09/25/2007 7:27:31 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: NYer

It’s easy to be against stuff. So what is she for? Has she got any answers to tough questions? Charm the terrorists with flowers? Against big companies. They provide jobs and she doesn’t have an answer to that other than write songs against everything.


5 posted on 09/25/2007 7:27:37 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: NYer

Garbage served with “grace and style” is still garbage.


6 posted on 09/25/2007 7:28:04 AM PDT by samiam1972 (I'm a mommy again!)
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To: BipolarBob

Sadly it’s the only way she can express herself and produce music.


7 posted on 09/25/2007 7:29:20 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: NYer
Mitchell, the original singer-songwriter, presents herself in stark contrast to the dodo-brained warblers of this generation.

Oh really? Fits right in if you ask me along with oldtimers like Streisand.

8 posted on 09/25/2007 7:29:29 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: NYer
This is the only way she can get publicity. Another has been.
9 posted on 09/25/2007 7:30:59 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: NYer

“Shine on the Catholic Church
And the prisons that it owns
Shine on all the Churches
They all love less and less”

WHAT? The Catholic Church owns hospitals, orphanages, AIDS clinics, shelters for battered women, universities, schools, daycare centers, pregnancy crisis centers... but PRISONS?

And it isn’t just Catholicism she hates:

Shine on good humor
Shine on good will
Shine on lousy leadership
Licensed to kill
Shine on dying soldiers
In patriotic pain
Shine on mass destruction
In some God’s name!


10 posted on 09/25/2007 7:31:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: BipolarBob
It’s easy to be against stuff. So what is she for? Has she got any answers to tough questions? Charm the terrorists with flowers? Against big companies. They provide jobs and she doesn’t have an answer to that other than write songs against everything.

It never occurs to a moonbat like Joni that if no one ever "paved Paradise and put up a parking lot" there would be no record companies to give her the contracts that have made her a very wealthy woman.

11 posted on 09/25/2007 7:32:28 AM PDT by freespirited (All great truths begin as blasphemies. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Dominick
This is the only way she can get publicity.

Right up there in the ranks with Sinead O'Connor and Charlotte Church.

12 posted on 09/25/2007 7:33:43 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

“She’s cynical and doesn’t mind expressing it.”

‘Cause you know, cynicism is unknown to modern popular “musicians”, like 50 Cent, 9 Inch Nails, the Sex Pistols, Green Day...


13 posted on 09/25/2007 7:34:28 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

I guess this is the “fair and balanced” part of Fox, cheering on a woman insulting the purposes served by our soldiers, snidely attacking belief in God, and proclaiming her superiority over the mindless masses using telephones in shopping malls. Being a guy that doesn’t much use his cell, I’d lay odds that Joni Mitchell has spent more time talking on cell phones in malls than I have. Her skin, stretched too thin from facelifts, isn’t what I consider the mark of a philosopher or spiritual thinker . . .


14 posted on 09/25/2007 7:36:06 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: NYer

The face of Starbucks.


15 posted on 09/25/2007 7:36:17 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Al-Qaeda doesn't need an intelligence network. They have the U.S. media.)
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To: NYer

I’m destroying all her music in my possession.


16 posted on 09/25/2007 7:40:35 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: NYer
I believe Mitchell never married. From Wiki:

As Mitchell prepared to leave her home in Saskatoon to relocate to Toronto, she became pregnant. Seeing no other alternatives, she gave her daughter, Kelly Dale Anderson (born February 19, 1965), up for adoption. The experience remained private for most of her career, but she made allusions to it in several songs, most notably the song "Little Green" (from Blue), and, years later, the song "Chinese Cafe" from "Wild Things Run Fast" ("Your kids are coming up straight/My child's a stranger/I bore her/But I could not raise her"). Her daughter, renamed Kilauren Gibb, began a search for her as an adult, and the two were reunited in 1997. [3]

17 posted on 09/25/2007 7:41:17 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

I think that filth from Sinead O’Connor helped kill her career.


18 posted on 09/25/2007 7:45:17 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: NYer

Another commie liberal doing what liberals do. Since I’ve never even considered give $3.00 for a cup of coffee I can’t quit so I guess you coffee aficionados will have to step up to the plate.


19 posted on 09/25/2007 7:45:35 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: samiam1972

Or as I like to say....

A poo covered with chocolate is still a poo.

Thanks for the poo, Joni.
Typical depressed ex-hippy. I’ve got one in my family.


20 posted on 09/25/2007 7:46:42 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: NYer

Joni looks a little shop worn.


21 posted on 09/25/2007 7:47:41 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: RabidBartender
"The face of Starbucks."

Indeed, the face of Starbucks.

I haven't seen the inside of one of those places in years, and the palpable "Joni Mitchell" ethos of the places are as much a part of the reason as is my reluctance to stand in line for their overpriced coffee, served by some cretin with a nostril ring.

Joni Mitchell typifies the phony piety of rich leftists.

22 posted on 09/25/2007 7:48:21 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: NYer
“Shine on the Catholic Church/And the prisons that it owns” “Shine on lousy leadership/Licensed to kill/Shine on dying soldiers/In patriotic pain/Shine on mass destruction/"

Huh? Catholic church "Licensed to kill?" Catholic church "And the prisons that it owns?" "Shine on dying soldiers..."

WTF? Can someone here please explain to me WTF she is talking about? I don't get it. "Mass destruction?"


23 posted on 09/25/2007 7:48:30 AM PDT by avacado
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To: netmilsmom
Typical depressed ex-hippy. I’ve got one in my family.

Me too! They swing back and forth between "butterfly and rainbow world" and "rage and ignorance world" very quickly.

24 posted on 09/25/2007 7:49:49 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: NYer

100 years from now the Catholic Church will still be standing, and Joni, like most anti-Catholic bigots, will be long forgotten.


25 posted on 09/25/2007 7:53:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: NYer

Roger Friedman is a publicist’s dream; the ultimate celebrity ass-kisser.
Joni Mitchell will fade away into deep obscurity again soon.
In a related topic, why does this new Garth song suck?


26 posted on 09/25/2007 7:53:38 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: RabidBartender

Starbucks pushed the Dixie Chicks like crazy also. I’m sure that in Seattle where they’re enamored of the smell of their own farts, the progressives buy the hell out of this crap.


27 posted on 09/25/2007 7:55:57 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: Greg F
They swing back and forth between "butterfly and rainbow world" and "rage and ignorance world" very quickly.

Good insight.

28 posted on 09/25/2007 7:56:02 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: steve8714

I guess I will show my age here but I never heard of her.


29 posted on 09/25/2007 7:56:12 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ontap

Count your blessings.


30 posted on 09/25/2007 7:57:47 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: NYer
Never been a big fan of Mitchell. Carly Simon and Carol King were more my style way back then. That high-pitched warble of hers never did much for me. It seemed like a kind of bluesy-folk music with no kick to it.

That's unfortunate because it means I don't have any of her records to ceremonially smash....:-)

31 posted on 09/25/2007 7:58:56 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Carol King were more my style way back then

You mean the same Carol King that sang "You've Got a Friend" for Fidel Castro?

32 posted on 09/25/2007 8:00:35 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: NYer
It's sad that Joni Mitchell - a brilliant musical and a gifted visual artist - has become precisely what she never wanted to be.

In the late 1960s - when hard rock and protest music were all the rage - she wrote very quiet, introspective and personal songs, and her "conscious" lyrics were done playfully a la "Big Yellow Taxi."

She went against the grain, but inspired a number of imitators of lesser quality (James Taylor, Jackson Browne, the new Carole King).

Then, when the singer-songwriter movement she helped create really took off, she went in another direction: jazz fusion and avant-garde music.

She collaborated with forward-thinkers like Jaco Pastorius and Charles Mingus.

But now she's just following along with the crowd.

Many people who used to be original, innovative talents (Pete Townshend, Burt Bacharach, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell) are following the lead of ninth-rate hacks like Conor Oberst and putting out cookie-cutter anti-Pope and anti-President songs and albums.

It doesn't make me angry - it makes me kind of sad. It's like watching a spry grandparent who used to be full of clever jokes and interesting stories and who liked to take you traipsing all over town reduced to drooling incoherently in a nursing-home basement watching gameshows.

33 posted on 09/25/2007 8:04:16 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: netmilsmom

LOL! A good description, indeed!


34 posted on 09/25/2007 8:06:03 AM PDT by samiam1972 (I'm a mommy again!)
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To: Greg F

>>Me too! They swing back and forth between “butterfly and rainbow world” and “rage and ignorance world” very quickly.<<

Spot on!

It’s a “Why can’t we all just get along/all we need is love” thing, unless they disagree with you. Then it’s war.


35 posted on 09/25/2007 8:06:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: dfwgator
You mean the same Carol King that sang "You've Got a Friend" for Fidel Castro?

Yep, that one.

I was a naive teenager and the politics of rock stars meant nothing to me. It was all about the music.......

36 posted on 09/25/2007 8:10:22 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Aquinasfan

Amen to that!!!


37 posted on 09/25/2007 8:21:57 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer

it may be very unhip and unsophisticated of me to ask this...

what prisons?


38 posted on 09/25/2007 8:24:38 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: trisham
Her daughter, renamed Kilauren Gibb, began a search for her as an adult, and the two were reunited in 1997.

Interesting. My daughter is adopted. She tracked down her birth mother several years ago. The first meeting went so well she decided to revisit her. The 2nd meeting was quite the reverse. She has since lost all interest.

39 posted on 09/25/2007 8:31:17 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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My daughter is adopted. She tracked down her birth mother several years ago. The first meeting went so well she decided to revisit her. The 2nd meeting was quite the reverse. She has since lost all interest.

**************

I've never adopted nor given up a child for adoption, so I'm not terribly equipped to comment. Let me simply say that I'm not overly surprised.

40 posted on 09/25/2007 8:39:32 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
Mitchell dicet:

Shine on the Catholic Church/And the prisons that it owns

Sed Chesterton respondet:

And if we took the third chance instance, it would be the same; the view that priests darken and embitter the world. I look at the world and simply discover that they don't. Those countries in Europe which are still influenced by priests, are exactly the countries where there is still singing and dancing and coloured dresses and art in the open-air. Catholic doctrine and discipline may be walls; but they are the walls of a playground. Christianity is the only frame which has preserved the pleasure of Paganism. We might fancy some children playing on the flat grassy top of some tall island in the sea. So long as there was a wall round the cliff's edge they could fling themselves into every frantic game and make the place the noisiest of nurseries. But the walls were knocked down, leaving the naked peril of the precipice. They did not fall over; but when their friends returned to them they were all huddled in terror in the centre of the island; and their song had ceased.

41 posted on 09/25/2007 8:43:20 AM PDT by Claud
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To: NYer
I just called "Moonbat Central" - the Starbucks corporate offices:

206-447-1575

and got the usual bureaucractic run around and double-speak:

"We don't censor the music that we sponsor or sell."

ME: "Would you admit that 'Shine on the Catholic Church and the prisons it owns' is anti-Catholic?"

"Well . . . "

ME: "So then Starbucks sponsors and sells anti-Catholic music?"

"I didn't say that . . . "

Then she hung up.

If you have a few moments and you want to have some fun (and like Rush says, you can leave half your brain tied behind your back during this call, folks), call the rocket-scientists out at Starbucks and make them earn this week's paycheck.

Of course, right after that I called the Catholic League in New York - and they are on the case!

42 posted on 09/25/2007 8:51:44 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: wideawake

Or the grandparent who tells you the same story over and over ...

“But we have poisoned everything/And oblivious to it all/The cell phone zombies babble/Through the shopping malls…”

“They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.”

Remarkably similar thoughts - only 35 years apart! As someone who loved her records back then, all I can say is that she is stuck in a time warp. There’s nothing more pathetic than an aging hippie who can’t seem to find anything better to do than protest “something.” It’s just that same old Viet Nam protest attitude being re-hashed. It was tiresome then, and it’s tiresome now.

“When I was young, we used to go out and protest the War. By golly, I’ve still got it, I can still protest the War! ... What War are we protesting, anyhow?”


43 posted on 09/25/2007 10:27:05 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: NYer

So do some FReepers.


44 posted on 09/25/2007 10:30:36 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: NYer

Just another lesbian against Christ.


45 posted on 09/25/2007 10:39:51 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: ontap

‘70s easy-listening folk singer/songwriter. Didn’t get asked out in high school, never got over it, takes it out on the world through song.

Actually, she has cut a couple of good tracks over the years — but it’s been thirty years or so since the last one.


46 posted on 09/25/2007 10:45:32 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: nanetteclaret
Remarkably similar thoughts - only 35 years apart!

Indeed - the idea is similarly vapid in both songs.

But the tune of "Big Yellow Taxi" is infectious and upbeat - it has fun with itself. Her later music has become both less experimental and less fun, while becoming more self-conscious and ponderous.

And the lyrics of "Big Yellow Taxi" are more, well, lyrical. They scan nicely and are alliterative. She was a better writer at the age of 27 than she is now at the age of 64.

47 posted on 09/25/2007 11:07:50 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: NYer
Charlotte Church just gave birth to her first child last week. She isn't married to the baby's father.

Her first "grown-up" album of pop songs has yet to sell gold, two years after its release.

48 posted on 09/25/2007 11:19:49 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

I think you’re thinking of another of her songs - unless you think the writing in “Big Yellow Taxi” was vapid and lyrical at the same time. (Late last night she heard the screen door slam and a “Big Yellow Taxi” took away her “old man.” Now “don’t it always seem to go that you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone - they pave paradise and put up a parking lot. Doo wah wah wah wah.” Also included in the song is the line about “putting all the trees in a tree museum and charging a dollar and a half just to see ‘em.”) It does have a catchy tune, though.


49 posted on 09/25/2007 11:30:59 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: TaxachusettsMan

Heh, I’m not sure who I like less . . . old hippies or Starbucks. I think it’s Starbucks; I’ve always been fond of locally owned coffee shops with good pastries and late hours. Starbucks is killing them.

Good for you for passing this on to an anti-defamation league. I want to see her explain the “prisons” comment and I want to see Starbucks face 70 million insulted Catholics who might forgoe an overpriced latte and discover the pleasure of a coffee combined with a Napoleon or good pastry and more interesting shops (with real live shop owners that you can get to know).


50 posted on 09/25/2007 11:42:43 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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