Posted on 09/28/2007 6:20:54 AM PDT by Ottofire
GRPL ping!
Baptist ping, for any that are interested.
Why read past the statement that the Church considers “indulgences” necessary and sufficient for salvation?
Never in any of my old-school Catholic education was I taught or told this; they were nice, kind of like extra credit in school, but a side issue. Trust me, the modern Church would get as far away as possible from this practice as possible to suck up to Mainline Protestantism.
Who decided which books were Scripture and which were apocrypha, or even heresy? The Bible wasn’t handed to a prophet on a journey to Mecca, or a farmer’s son-in-law.
Apparently I forgot to put in a few in many links to other documents found in the article.
Please read from the original site, so as to be able to get these links,
Thanks,
Otto
bttt
Well steve8714,
This is the quote from the article, which you are mangling horribly:
“This is what Rome teaches is necessary to be believed and practiced for salvation.”
Nothing there about necessary and sufficient. But as they are de fide doctrines, you MUST hold to them or you are not following the authority of the RCC, risking your very soul for not doing so. Thus they are necessary to be believed, though the practising part just is common sense, unless you want to experience Purgatory for longer than you can avoid.
To read later.
How can this be a GRPL ping when it is mostly about the Catholic Church?
steve8714,
Though I really do wish to spend all the time answering your questions from the article, I will just ask that you read the whole thing BEFORE asking, so I do not have to quote it all back to you, topic by topic with my own commentary. Which is why I asked that all comments be held until the article is read.
Take notes while you read, challenge the points that are not answered, or not. I simply do not have the time to retype this article for your personal satisfaction. For some reason I think this will never be accomplished.
I did not. I actually identified with the holy catholic church after leaving Romanism since I now truly understood the words of that ancient creed.
It is a article which I found possibly helpful, and hope that some from the GRPL ping list, as well as the Baptist ping list, would also.
That is why ping lists are there, is it not?
Topcat, did you READ the article or just skip to the last paragraph?
CHEATER! :o)
Maybe this will answer your question!
Are you a former RCatholic?
[Mary] “may justly be said to have redeemed together with Christ the human race.”
Sorry. Not right. The sacrifices of Mary were significant, but there is only ONE sacrifice that redeemed the human race, and it wasn’t Mary. It was the lamb of God.
Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
You don’t see the sacrificial lamb’s mother going to watch her offspring be killed in the Old Testament, do you?
Mary was special, and selected by God to be the most important mother in history. But she redeemed no one. If she were here, she would tell us so herself.
Thanks for the ping!
“40. Popes Leo XIII and Benedict XV make these statements: ‘When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race....(at the foot of the cross) she was a co-worker with Christ in His expiation for mankind and she offered up her Son to the divine justice dying with him in her heart (Jucunda semper)....Thus she (Mary) suffered and all but died along with her Son suffering and dying-thus for the salvation of men she abdicated the rights of a mother toward her son, and insofar as it was hers to do, she immolated the Son to placate God’s justice, so that she herself may justly be said to have redeemed together with Christ the human race. (De Corredemptione; cited by Carol, ed., Mariology, 1:383, 37)”
If the RCC can’t get past the truth of the penal substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross, I could never go back to Rome.
....And that goes for the Emergent Church heretics as well.
Topcat, did you READ the article or just skip to the last paragraph?
CHEATER! :o)
13 posted on 09/28/2007 8:09:32 AM MDT by Ottofire
<;-) Why not skip to the last paragraph, its all in the past, there is no future.
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