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God Sends His Angels to Watch Over and Guide Us
Catholic Key ^ | September 29, 2007 | Bishop Robert W. Finn

Posted on 09/29/2007 3:35:01 PM PDT by NYer

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This coming week we approach two feast days in the Church's liturgical calendar that remind us of the significant role of the angels in the providential plan of God, and the day to day challenges of man. September 29 is the Feast Day of the Archangels: Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, and October 2 is the memorial of the Guardian Angels.

There are hundreds of references in the Sacred Scriptures (Old and New Testaments) to these special beings, created by God as cooperators in the work of salvation. The Compendium of the Catechism teaches us about angels: "The angels are purely spiritual creatures, incorporeal, invisible, immortal, and personal beings endowed with intelligence and will. They ceaselessly contemplate God face-to-face and they glorify Him. They serve Him and are His messengers in the accomplishment of His saving mission to all." (n. 60)

The word angel means "messenger" and God uses them in many instances to communicate to mankind His saving interventions on earth: whether it is the Archangel Gabriel announcing the births of John the Baptist and Jesus, or the choirs of angels announcing the birth of the Savior to shepherds near Bethlehem. In the Old Testament the "angel of the Lord" presents to the holy Patriarchs the will of God and even delivers God's punishment for the people's infidelity. St Raphael guides the journey of Tobias to completion in accord with God's plan.

From the Scriptures the Church gleans its understanding of the different "ranks" or "choirs" of angels, giving us a sense of the myriad tasks they continue to carry out.

Scripture says we are given an angel as a guardian to watch over us and guide us. Blessed Pope John XXIII had a deep devotion to the Guardian Angels, grasping how they could be called upon to help us in our work for God in the Church. When the future Pope served in the Vatican's diplomatic service, he was often assisted by the angels. Whenever he was approaching what he thought would be a contentious meeting or negotiation, he would pray not only to his Guardian Angel, but also to the angel of the person he was meeting. Together Blessed John and the two angelic helpers would constitute a three-to-one majority, capable of winning over the heart of his would-be adversary.

For generations, Catholics in the United States concluded the celebration of Holy Mass with the prayer to St. Michael for the conversion of Russia. In the Book of Revelation, St. Michael is presented as the leader of God's heavenly host for the overthrow of Satan. The demons are fallen angels whose prideful free choice against God cost them their status in heaven. Rightly called "the father of lies," Satan never ceases to mislead souls away from the living Truth, Jesus Christ. The devil and his minions are infinitely less powerful than God, but one of the most vicious ways they harm man is by deceiving us with half truths and false gratifications that give us only passing pleasure.

Human beings are not demons but we can be seduced, and we must never fail to turn to the angels to help us. I ask you to join me in praying this prayer frequently to seek God's protection and help for our families, our diocese, and our world.

"St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host cast into hell: Satan, and all the evil spirits who roam about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

All you angels, come to our aid! Mary, Queen of angels, Pray for us!

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1 posted on 09/29/2007 3:35:04 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
God Sends His Angels to Watch Over and Guide Us

I don't doubt that one bit. I also believe he sends us "surrogate" angels in the form of mere mortals who are placed in the right place at the right time.
2 posted on 09/29/2007 3:39:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: All
Here is a the bishop assigned as adjunct to Lviv.


Reuters - Sat Sep 29, 8:34 AM ET Pope Benedict XVI places a mitre hat on Monsignor Mieczlsaw Mokrzycky's head as the pope ordains him as bishop in Saint Peter's Basilica at the Vatican September 29, 2007. REUTERS/Dario Pignatelli (VATICAN)

3 posted on 09/29/2007 3:57:37 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: cripplecreek
I also believe he sends us "surrogate" angels in the form of mere mortals who are placed in the right place at the right time.

Indeed! For many years I doubted that until one Christmas Eve when my car was stuck in deep snow. It was a blizzard and my then 16 yr old daughter said she was going out to have a snowball fight with some friends. At the time of her announcement, the snow was falling lightly. It wasn't even that cold and, like many teens, she doffed heavy clothes in favor of blue jeans, a sweatshirt and gloves. 1/2 hour - 1 hour passed. The storm turned ugly and blizzard conditions set in. She had been gone 1 1/2 hours and the snow was falling at 3"/hr. I shouted out the front door but there was no one. In total panic, I jumped into my 15 y/o Volvo and set off in search of her. The car was front wheel drive. Once I reached the main road, the car was pointing uphill and the tires were spinning in place. Abject fear set in. I began to pray and asked my guardian angel for assistance. Immediately I noticed lights up ahead. Slowly they made their way in my direction. It was a plow! As it passed, I was able to maneuver the car to the opposite side of the road and progress uphill. Total white out conditions prevailed. I passed the street where my daughter's friend resided. There were some people walking down the road, one of which resembled my daughter. I opened the window and shouted her name! Slowly they approached the car but it was not my daughter and they had not seen her.

It was now late and darkness was setting in. Slowly I maneuvered the car around and turned back towards home. Our street had not been plowed and the snow totally emcompassed the tires of the car. I crept slowly towards home, the car fishtailing all the way. Reaching the driveway, I realized it was impassable and began shoveling a path. The snow continued unabated swirling around me and the car while the darkness settled in. Fear held me in its grip - where was my daughter. I asked my guardian angel to please send her home. Tears froze on my cheeks as I battled the accumulating snow with a cheap shovel. For some inexplicable reason, I glanced off down the road. A figure moved towards me, advancing slowly through the thick snow. I squinted, hoping to better identify it. As it progressed closer, I recognized my daughter. I dropped the shovel, ran and embraced her, my heart beating out of control with more tears freezing on my face.

Our guardian angels are there to assist us. All we need do is call on them; but we must remember that they are in service to our Lord. They cannot change His will. Over the years, I have come to appreciate the assistance of my guardian angel and thank God for it's presence in my life.

4 posted on 09/29/2007 4:22:14 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: toddlintown

Ping!


5 posted on 09/29/2007 4:51:59 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
God Sends His Angels to Watch Over and Guide Us

Yes He does.

6 posted on 09/29/2007 4:54:32 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: NYer

God sends us angels but the dark force sends us little demons whispering false instructions in our ears. We have to know who to listen to.


7 posted on 09/29/2007 4:55:47 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Sarkozy)
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To: NYer
Scripture says we are given an angel as a guardian to watch over us and guide us.

I have wondered about this before, especially when angel pins were being sold by the thousands. Where in scripture are we told that we each have a guardian angel? I can't find it.

8 posted on 09/29/2007 5:26:28 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: dennisw

Boy, ain’t that the truth. It is an art form to learn God’s will from evil’s will. That is for sure! Prayer, prayer, prayer and more prayer combined with a whole lot of keepin’ an eye out for God’s road signs :-). Bible helps too of course.


9 posted on 09/29/2007 5:27:45 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet

All that and more!!!


10 posted on 09/29/2007 5:31:05 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Sarkozy)
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To: suzyjaruki; NYer
Two places, of course we don't pray to them, but to God alone for His help

Psalm 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

Matthew 18:10, Christians (those who believe in Christ, are the "little ones")

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 posted on 09/29/2007 5:38:49 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: Adam was a cookie)
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To: dennisw
:-) Yep. (Love your tag line by the way. Who would have thought two years ago we would be quoting a contemporary French leader!)

May God's will be clear for us all and His path kind if we follow His laws (if this is His will of course.).

12 posted on 09/29/2007 5:41:16 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: 1000 silverlings; NYer

Thank you for your post 1000, but I am looking for the passage that says we each have a guardian angel. You know one on one, like basketball. LOL


13 posted on 09/29/2007 5:43:00 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: suzyjaruki

sorry, that’s it,lol


14 posted on 09/29/2007 5:44:57 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: Adam was a cookie)
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To: 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki; NYer
There are hundreds of references in the Sacred Scriptures (Old and New Testaments) to these special beings, created by God as cooperators in the work of salvation.

This is not true on several levels. The word "angels" is written less than 100 times in Scripture, but we're familiar with the RCC penchant for increasing the number of things between God and men so the exaggeration is no surprise.

created by God as cooperators in the work of salvation"

Where's the Scripture for that boast?

Christ on the cross is all the "cooperation" anyone needs.

15 posted on 09/29/2007 5:52:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; suzyjaruki
Where's the Scripture for that boast?

why in the handy-dandy scripture generator! let me "rev" it up and I'll get back to you! (not)

16 posted on 09/29/2007 5:58:34 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: Adam was a cookie)
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To: 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki
It's truly and sadly amazing that articles like this one labor to put so much else between God and men when Christ Jesus is the only mediator God has given us; the only one we will ever need.
17 posted on 09/29/2007 6:05:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

What is truly and sadly amazing is how you spit upon God by rejecting the many gifts He has given to us to help us attain salvation.


18 posted on 09/29/2007 6:20:47 PM PDT by pipeorganman
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
It's truly and sadly amazing that articles like this one labor to put so much else between God and men when Christ Jesus is the only mediator God has given us; the only one we will ever need.

Clearly, your relationship with Jesus is so utterly and completely exclusive and perfect that there is no need or even room for saints, angels, patriarchs, prophets, other Christians, God the Father, or God the Holy Spirit.

Funny how Paul didn't seem to think he was above asking his readers to pray for him. Guess he didn't have that absolute, exclusive locked-gaze relationship with Jesus and Him alone that you have. In places he actually seems to think he was saved as part of a community that amounts to something bigger than just his own "personal relationship" with Jesus. Poor Paul!

19 posted on 09/29/2007 6:55:02 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The word "angels" is written less than 100 times in Scripture

How many times does God have to say something before you actually believe it?

When angels came to minister to Jesus, did he send them away with a stern warning that he was the only mediator he needed with the Father?

20 posted on 09/29/2007 6:58:15 PM PDT by Campion
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To: 1000 silverlings

I am always asking my Guardian Angel to help me. In fact, I did that today. Do you have a problem with that?


21 posted on 09/29/2007 7:29:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: 1000 silverlings

By whom were the angels created?

By God, of course, so it is OK to ask for help!


22 posted on 09/29/2007 7:29:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: suzyjaruki

Who spoke to Joesph?

Who spoke to the prophets in many instances? Was it God or was it an angel?

Who are we told in Luke, announced to the Blessed Virgin Mary that she was to conceive a Son through the power of the Holy Spirit?

The Angel Gabriel!!

Read your Bible — the angels are everywhere in it! (Maybe you just don’t recognize them?)


23 posted on 09/29/2007 7:32:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Campion

**The word “angels” is written less than 100 times in Scripture
How many times does God have to say something before you actually believe it?

When angels came to minister to Jesus, did he send them away with a stern warning that he was the only mediator he needed with the Father?**

Excellent! Needs to be repeated.


24 posted on 09/29/2007 7:34:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
It's truly and sadly amazing that articles like this one labor to put so much else between God and men when Christ Jesus is the only mediator God has given us; the only one we will ever need.

Have you ever read the Gospel account of the Incarnation?

Probably, but you've obviously not appreciated it.

Was the angel Gabriel (that's right, they have names) an obstacle between man and God or an intermediary? How did the work of our salvation begin? Through the message of an angel, of course! If there were no other references to angels in all of Scripture, this event by itself should clue you in to their importance. It was an angelic messenger that announced God's favor to man in the form of his Incarnate Son.

This is what Calvinism does for you, friend. It's joyless misery paralyzes you and deprives you of the ability to embrace and appreciate God's messengers whom he sends to assist us in our need.

25 posted on 09/29/2007 7:40:42 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

When Lucifer and his followers were cast out of heaven, who do you think did that?

God, of course! He is the person in charge.


26 posted on 09/29/2007 7:54:26 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
God Sends His Angels to Watch Over and Guide Us

Angels, Part 3

Angels, Part 2

Angels, Part 1

Angels Among Us Today

God Created the Angels as Individual, Immortal Spirits with Intelligence and Free Will

The Angels in Sacred Scripture

Angels in the History of the Church

Angels - in Heaven, on Earth and in Hell

Catholic Q&A: Angels and Demons (Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer)

GOD AND THE ANGELS

Question: “Are there really such things as guardian angels?”

27 posted on 09/29/2007 7:56:17 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

We are told in scripture not to worhip angels. Your idea of worhip and mine are at odds. I would never pray directly to an angel or to a person,living or dead. They are created things, and scripture says not to worship them. What you do is your own business.


28 posted on 09/29/2007 9:58:44 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: Adam was a cookie)
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To: marshmallow
This is what Calvinism does for you, friend. It's joyless misery paralyzes you and deprives you of the ability to embrace and appreciate God's messengers whom he sends to assist us in our need.

Like the co-reedemer, Mary? Or the minister who is "another Christ?"

No, thanks. I'll stick with Jesus Christ alone and the Gospel message in Scripture.

But you are half-right. A deeper understanding of Biblical Christianity, which can be called Calvinism, does prevent me from recognizing anyone as a mediator between God and men but Christ Jesus.

For that, I am eternally grateful...and most joyful.

29 posted on 09/29/2007 11:47:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings; irishtenor; suzyjaruki
We are told in scripture not to worhip angels. Your idea of worhip and mine are at odds. I would never pray directly to an angel or to a person,living or dead. They are created things, and scripture says not to worship them.

Amen.

"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:15-20


30 posted on 09/29/2007 11:52:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: pipeorganman
rejecting the many gifts He has given to us to help us attain salvation.

Attain salvation? God gave the Israelites the Law to help them attain salvation,and by everyone's account, it didn't work. Do you have something better than the Law?

31 posted on 09/29/2007 11:52:35 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: Campion; Salvation; irishtenor; suzyjaruki; 1000 silverlings
When angels came to minister to Jesus, did he send them away with a stern warning that he was the only mediator he needed with the Father?

Is Jesus Christ the only mediator between God and men?

32 posted on 09/29/2007 11:56:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Campion; Salvation; irishtenor; suzyjaruki

There wasn’t any “mediation” going on, was there?


33 posted on 09/29/2007 11:58:20 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: 1000 silverlings
Good point.

I don't think we can go wrong if we keep our eyes on Christ alone. Our depth of field is then greatly increased.

34 posted on 09/30/2007 12:03:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: aimee5291

I believe this will be of interest to you. God’s blessings on you and your family.


35 posted on 09/30/2007 4:51:35 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: suzyjaruki; 1000 silverlings
Thank you for your post 1000, but I am looking for the passage that says we each have a guardian angel.

Here's a look at the broader picture. Hope it is helpful.


Throughout the Bible we find it repeatedly implied that each individual soul has its tutelary angel. Thus Abraham, when sending his steward to seek a wife for Isaac, says: "He will send His angel before thee" (Genesis 24:7). The words of the ninetieth Psalm which the devil quoted to our Lord (Matthew 4:6) are well known, and Judith accounts for her heroic deed by saying: "As the Lord liveth, His angel hath been my keeper" (xiii, 20). These passages and many like them (Genesis 16:6-32; Hosea 12:4; 1 Kings 19:5; Acts 12:7; Psalm 33:8), though they will not of themselves demonstrate the doctrine that every individual has his appointed guardian angel, receive their complement in our Saviour's words: "See that you despise not one of these little ones; for I say to you that their angels in Heaven always see the face of My Father Who is in Heaven" (Matthew 18:10), words which illustrate the remark of St. Augustine: "What lies hidden in the Old Testament, is made manifest in the New". Indeed, the book of Tobias seems intended to teach this truth more than any other, and St. Jerome in his commentary on the above words of our Lord says: "The dignity of a soul is so great, that each has a guardian angel from its birth." The general doctrine that the angels are our appointed guardians is considered to be a point of faith, but that each individual member of the human race has his own individual guardian angel is not of faith (de fide); the view has, however, such strong support from the Doctors of the Church that it would be rash to deny it (cf. St. Jerome, supra). Peter the Lombard (Sentences, lib. II, dist. xi) was inclined to think that one angel had charge of several individual human beings. St. Bernard's beautiful homilies (11-14) on the ninetieth Psalm breathe the spirit of the Church without however deciding the question. The Bible represents the angels not only as our guardians, but also as actually interceding for us. "The angel Raphael (Tob., xii, 12) says: "I offered thy prayer to the Lord" (cf. Job, v, 1 (Septuagint), and 33:23 (Vulgate); Apocalypse 8:4). The Catholic cult of the angels is thus thoroughly scriptural. Perhaps the earliest explicit declaration of it is to be found in St. Ambrose's words: "We should pray to the angels who are given to us as guardians" (De Viduis, ix); (cf. St. Aug., Contra Faustum, xx, 21). An undue cult of angels was reprobated by St. Paul (Colossians 2:18), and that such a tendency long remained in the same district is evidenced by Canon 35 of the Synod of Laodicea.

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36 posted on 09/30/2007 5:06:29 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Thanks for post...you’re very kind.


37 posted on 09/30/2007 6:26:32 AM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“angels” 92 verses, 94 hits
“angel” 194 verses, 203 hits
“messenger” 32 verses, 34 hits

From searches of the KJV


38 posted on 09/30/2007 6:59:03 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: NYer; Salvation
Nyer, I couldn't get your links to work, but this is from the article that Salvation posted (#27), "Are there really such things as guardian angels?" speaking of Matthew 18:10: This Scripture seems to imply that children have personal angels, “their angels,” that sit very close to God. Is this a reference to guardian angels? I believe it is the closest we come.

I believe it is quite a stretch for the Bishop to say: "Scripture says we are given an angel as a guardian to watch over us and guide us." I wish it were true, but we have no way of knowing.

39 posted on 09/30/2007 7:17:36 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Salvation NEVER said ANYTHING about WORSHIPPING Angels!!! You put words in his mouth that were never there!! That's a VERY LIBERAL thing to do.

No one worships angels.

40 posted on 09/30/2007 7:25:21 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: NYer
I would really like to keep this thread going every day for Freepers to keep America in their prayers, and to protect us from the evil things happening like all of the child rapes and killings that are happening here.

Please God, do not remove Your Hand of Grace and Protection that You have given to America.

41 posted on 09/30/2007 7:29:32 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: 1000 silverlings

I’m glad I’m not related to people who mix up love and respect with worship. God created and it was good, ALL of his creation is good.


42 posted on 09/30/2007 8:03:31 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
For that, I am eternally grateful...and most joyful.

We'll take your word for it.

From your posts, it's not at all obvioius.

43 posted on 09/30/2007 9:04:51 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Suzy Quzy; suzyjaruki; NYer; Dr. Eckleburg
Sorry but praying to angels is angel worship. There are posts here regularly praying to angels. Angels are servants of God. You pray to God in Jesus' name for help from them, as His will be done

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Hebrews 1:4

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

44 posted on 09/30/2007 10:30:08 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: marshmallow
We'll take your word for it.

I'm delighted.

45 posted on 09/30/2007 10:30:17 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki
Amen. Scripture's pretty clear on the foul error of praying to angels.

People conveniently forget God sends out other angels, too...

"He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them." -- Psalm 78:49

46 posted on 09/30/2007 10:39:19 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Cvengr; 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki
I'm not denying angels. I'm denying the error of praying to them.

And I'm denying the egregious error in this sentence...

"There are hundreds of references in the Sacred Scriptures (Old and New Testaments) to these special beings, created by God as cooperators in the work of salvation."

Neither angels, nor Mary, nor priests who are wrongly tagged as "another Christ," are "cooperators in the work of salvation."

Salvation is the work of Jesus Christ on the cross alone, 100%.

47 posted on 09/30/2007 10:47:15 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: marshmallow
Was the angel Gabriel (that's right, they have names) an obstacle between man and God or an intermediary?

Intermediary. Another angel also has a name, or should I say he has many & he should be rightfully put down as an obstacle between man & God, a big one.

How did the work of our salvation begin? Through the message of an angel, of course!

Did it begin with the message or did it begin with that which was contained in the message? Was Gabriel bringing news of something he was going to do or was he bringing news of something God was going to do?

If there were no other references to angels in all of Scripture, this event by itself should clue you in to their importance.

An announcement of an event is of far less importance than the event itself.

It was an angelic messenger that announced God's favor to man in the form of his Incarnate Son.

Is the message the messenger? If man hadn't screwed up so bad in the first place, by taking the word of an angel over the word of the Lord...

48 posted on 09/30/2007 11:01:16 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: suzyjaruki; Salvation
Nyer, I couldn't get your links to work

That's because you need to go to the major link - "Read More".

I believe it is quite a stretch for the Bishop to say: "Scripture says we are given an angel as a guardian to watch over us and guide us." I wish it were true, but we have no way of knowing.

That each person has a guardian angel, is not dogma. However, based on the Scripture, that angels accompany us through life. You can't see thoughts but you know people have them; does that mean they don't exist?

49 posted on 09/30/2007 1:08:55 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
That's because you need to go to the major link - "Read More".

Duh, thanks, I was in a hurry this morning, on my way to worship.

That each person has a guardian angel, is not dogma.

Here is what I read at www.catholic.org:
The doctrine of angels is part of the Church's tradition...The existence of Guardian Angels, is, hence a dogma of the Christian faith: this being so, what ought not our respect be for that sure and holy intelligence that is ever present at our side...

Prayer to Our Holy Guardian Angels
Heavenly Father, Your infinite love for us has chosen a blessed angel in heaven and appointed him our guide during this earthly pilgrimage. Accept our thanks for so great ablessing. Grant that we may experience the assistance of our holy protector in all our necessities. And you, holy, loving angel and guide, watch over us with all the tenderness of your angelic heart. Keep us always on the way that leads to heaven, and cease not to pray for us until we have attained our final destiny, eternal salvation. Then we shall love you for all eternity. We shall praise and glorify you unceasingly for all the good you have done for us while here on earth. Especially be a faithful and watchful protector of our children. Take our place, and supply what may be wanting to us through human frailty, short-sightedness, or sinful neglect. Lighten, O you perfect servants of God, our heavy task. Guide our children, that they may become like unto Jesus, may imitate Him faithfully, and persevere till they attain eternal life. Amen.

NYer, this is going much further than just accepting that something exists or not. OR, is www.catholic.org not "orthodox?"

50 posted on 09/30/2007 1:46:12 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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