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God Sends His Angels to Watch Over and Guide Us
Catholic Key ^ | September 29, 2007 | Bishop Robert W. Finn

Posted on 09/29/2007 3:35:01 PM PDT by NYer

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To: suzyjaruki
Then we shall love you for all eternity. We shall praise and glorify you unceasingly for all the good you have done for us while here on earth.

Sure sounds like "worship" to me

51 posted on 09/30/2007 1:53:40 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

What religion are you?


52 posted on 09/30/2007 1:59:20 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Where did I say I worshipped angels?

I said I asked my Guardian Angel for help. Period.


53 posted on 09/30/2007 2:00:58 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I am a born again bible believing Christian, why?


54 posted on 09/30/2007 2:01:31 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

OK... ME TOO!!I am a member of the Catholic Church....what Denomination are you?


55 posted on 09/30/2007 2:06:32 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: suzyjaruki

Even the unborn, the Holy Innocents, have an angel, a guardian angel, because they are a human being. OK?


56 posted on 09/30/2007 2:06:47 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Thanks for your defense. When may I hire you for court? LOL!

I’m just getting back to the thread and posted basically the same thing! God bless!


57 posted on 09/30/2007 2:08:03 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Church of the Tabernacle Not Made With Human Hands.

I didn't know Catholics were "born again". I thought you were incorporated into the Catholic Church

58 posted on 09/30/2007 2:09:35 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Once again, I didn’t pray to my angel? I asked them for help.

If you lived nextdoor to me and I asked you for help in moving a piece of furniture, would that be praying?

It seems to me, that you are way off base in your thinking here.


59 posted on 09/30/2007 2:09:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: 1000 silverlings

**I didn’t know Catholics were “born again”. **

Of course we are! At our Baptism, whether it is as an adult or as an infant!


60 posted on 09/30/2007 2:13:11 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: suzyjaruki
Ooops ... my mistake ... mea culpa! I confused dogma with tradition.

Look on the bright side of this. You have a guardian angel. I posted an example above of how these guardians assist us when called upon to do so. The next time you find yourself in diffculty, ask your guardian angel for assistance. I have read stories of the intervention of angels in some truly extraordinary circumstances.

61 posted on 09/30/2007 2:15:48 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Salvation; suzyjaruki; Dr. Eckleburg
If you lived next door to me, and if I was an employee there who worked for the big guy who lived there and owned the place, and had the biggest muscles you ever saw, and he was the nicest guy ever and he offers to help you if you ask and he's just standing there ready to help, then why are you asking me?
62 posted on 09/30/2007 2:16:04 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Soooooo...I take that you don;t go to a Church!!


63 posted on 09/30/2007 2:17:09 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Of course I go to a Church, 3x a week. And more


64 posted on 09/30/2007 2:18:48 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Guess you haven’t heard of manners! LOL!

I ask Mary to pray for me to God. I ask God to help me all the time, and on a personal level, because I know my Guardian Angel is always next to me, I ask them for help.

I’m so sorry that you don’t believe you have a Guardian Angel, because you do.


65 posted on 09/30/2007 2:23:10 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: 1000 silverlings

What denomination? What’s the name??


66 posted on 09/30/2007 2:24:37 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Salvation

Being one of the little ones, I know my angel in heaven sees the face of God. I often ask the Lord to send me an angel or more, but as they are His to do with as He pleases, I ask Him, not them.


67 posted on 09/30/2007 2:25:21 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I told you. It was founded by God years ago


68 posted on 09/30/2007 2:26:02 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

For Cripe’s sake...why won’t you say the name of the Church denomination...Maybe it doesn’t exist.


69 posted on 09/30/2007 2:28:45 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Well it’s in the scriptures. I can “rev” up the handy dandy scripture generator if you like


70 posted on 09/30/2007 2:30:06 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Funny how you are so emabrarrassed that you won’t answer a simple little question......funny.


71 posted on 09/30/2007 2:32:51 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy
I'm not embarrassed in the least. Apparently you have to pigeon-hole Christians to try and understand them. Every thing I say and everything I believe comes from the bible. I am not of Paul, nor of Apollos, nor of Calvin, nor of Pope this or that, or any of them. Why can't you accept that?
72 posted on 09/30/2007 2:36:24 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: suzyjaruki; 1000 silverlings; wmfights; Uncle Chip; HarleyD; GoLightly; blue-duncan; irishtenor; ...
And you, holy, loving angel and guide, watch over us with all the tenderness of your angelic heart. Keep us always on the way that leads to heaven, and cease not to pray for us until we have attained our final destiny, eternal salvation. Then we shall love you for all eternity. We shall praise and glorify you unceasingly for all the good you have done for us while here on earth.

Wow. That is one goofy, unBiblical, verging-on-blasmphemy doctrine of the RCC.

Where in Scripture does it say we are to love anyone but God for all eternity? Where does it say in Scripture we are to praise and glorify anyone but the Triune God of all creation?

Is there no discernment in the minds of those who pray this abomination? In doing so, they are glorifying a created being when we're instructed there is only one name worthy of our praise.

"Let them praise the name of the LORD: for His name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven." -- Psalm 148:13


"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is His name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." -- Proverbs 30:4-6

They just make this stuff up. It must appeal to a certain natural tendency to praise the creation over the Creator. "If thou canst tell?"

Apparently, some cannot.

73 posted on 09/30/2007 2:42:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: NYer

MORNING:

Angel of God,
My Guardian Dear,
to whom His love commits me here,
ever this day be at my side,
to light and to guard,
to rule and guide.

NOON:
Guardian Angel, watch over those whose names you can read in my heart. Guard over them with every care and make their way easy and their labours fruitful. Dry their tears if they weep; sanctify their joys; raise their courage if they weaken; restore their hope if they lose heart, their health if they be ill, truth if they err, repentance if they fail.

NIGHT

Good night, my Guardian Angel, The day has sped away; Well spent or ill, its story Is written down for aye. And now, of God’s kind Providence, Thou image pure and bright, Watch over me while I’m sleeping. My Angel dear, good night!


74 posted on 09/30/2007 2:42:44 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Suzy Quzy

YOPIOS


75 posted on 09/30/2007 2:43:38 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: P.O.E.

lol


76 posted on 09/30/2007 2:44:30 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: OpusatFR

lol


77 posted on 09/30/2007 2:45:29 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki
If you lived next door to me, and if I was an employee there who worked for the big guy who lived there and owned the place, and had the biggest muscles you ever saw, and he was the nicest guy ever and he offers to help you if you ask and he's just standing there ready to help, then why are you asking me?

lol. Your socks match your tie?

78 posted on 09/30/2007 2:47:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Salvation

“I ask Mary to pray for me to God. I ask God to help me all the time, and on a personal level, because I know my Guardian Angel is always next to me, I ask them for help.”

The Communion of the Saints seems to be one of those realities that escape some.


79 posted on 09/30/2007 2:50:32 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

My boots match the mud, that’s about what it amounts to


80 posted on 09/30/2007 2:52:18 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: OpusatFR

I’ve posted losts and lots of it, thanks to the HDSG. I’ve never run into you disputing it


81 posted on 09/30/2007 2:56:54 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Quote of the day: You’ve lost me completely with that last ‘obtusity’.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Where in Scripture does it say we are to love anyone but God for all eternity? Where does it say in Scripture we are to praise and glorify anyone but the Triune God of all creation? You must have missed this part in my earlier post: The doctrine of angels is part of the Church's tradition.

Tradition in this case seems to equal sentimentalism. Maybe if I wish it enough, and repeat it enough, it will become true.

82 posted on 09/30/2007 3:39:25 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: P.O.E.
Thank You!

These are truly special prayers to guide us through the day; a constant reminder that our Lord has sent His angels to minister to us in our need.

83 posted on 09/30/2007 4:44:32 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Good post, I concur. Salvation is all the work of God. His name itself testifies to this. His name isn’t, “God saves, with a little help from his cooperational created friends’”.


84 posted on 09/30/2007 4:52:44 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Are you speaking in some code? What are you talking about and why are you addressing me?


85 posted on 09/30/2007 4:56:41 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: suzyjaruki

Matthew 18:10 states, “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.” In the context, “these little ones” could either apply to those who believe in Him (v. 6) or it could refer to the little children (vv. 3-5). This is the key passage when the discussion of guardian angels comes up. There is no doubt that good angels help protect (Daniel 6:20-23; 2 Kings 6:13-17), reveal information (Acts 7:52-53; Luke 1:11-20), guide (Matthew 1:20-21; Acts 8:26), provide for (Genesis 21-17-20; 1 Kings 19:5-7), and minister to believers in general (Hebrews 1:14). There are so many more instances of these in Scripture.

The question that is difficult to answer is whether each person or each believer has an angel assigned to him/her. In the Old Testament, the nation of Israel had the archangel (Michael) assigned to it (Daniel 10:21; 12:1), but you do not have anywhere in Scripture where it states that an angel was “assigned” to an individual (they were sometimes sent to individuals on different instances but no mention of “permanent” assignment is given). One commentator states that the Jews had fully developed the belief in guardian angels during the time between the Old and New Testament periods. Some early church fathers believed that each person had not only a good angel assigned to him/her but also a demon as well (I am not sure who they believed assigned the demon, whether Satan or God). But at any rate, the belief in guardian angels has been around for a long time.

If one is to understand from the Matthew 18:10 passage that guardian angels are referred to, it would seem that these angels are not in an active duty, but rather “always see the face of” the Father in heaven. The active duty or oversight seems then to come more from God than the angels. In our society today, it is “in” to believe in angels. We have movies that focus on angels; we have series on TV which portray angels as being assigned to help. Scripture makes it clear that although angels possess superhuman power and knowledge, they are created beings just as we are and are “nothing” in comparison with God. As such, they are not to be worshipped (Exodus 20:1-6; Colossians 2:18). Rather, worship is to be reserved for the Trinity alone. Unfortunately, while the shows about angels give lip service to God, the Son of God is rarely mentioned (if at all). And God says, in John 5:23 that if one does not honor the Son, he does not honor the Father who sent Him.

It cannot be emphatically answered from Scripture whether each believer has a guardian angel assigned to him/her. But as stated earlier, God does use them in ministering to us. I believe that it is scriptural to say that He uses them like He uses us, i.e. He in no way needs us or them to accomplish His purposes, but chooses to use us nonetheless (Job 4:18; Job 15:15). And in the end, whether we have an angel assigned to protect us or not, we have a greater assurance that God gives: that if we are His children through faith in Christ, He works all things together for good (Romans 8:28-30), and that Jesus Christ will never leave us or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5-6). If we have an omniscient, omnipotent, all-loving God with us, what does it really matter whether there is a finite angel along side of us or not?

Recommended Resource: What the Bible says about Angels by David Jeremiah.


86 posted on 09/30/2007 6:09:23 PM PDT by Athena1
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To: 1000 silverlings; NYer
Matthew 18:10 states, “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.” In the context, “these little ones” could either apply to those who believe in Him (v. 6) or it could refer to the little children (vv. 3-5). This is the key passage when the discussion of guardian angels comes up. There is no doubt that good angels help protect (Daniel 6:20-23; 2 Kings 6:13-17), reveal information (Acts 7:52-53; Luke 1:11-20), guide (Matthew 1:20-21; Acts 8:26), provide for (Genesis 21-17-20; 1 Kings 19:5-7), and minister to believers in general (Hebrews 1:14). There are so many more instances of these in Scripture.

The question that is difficult to answer is whether each person or each believer has an angel assigned to him/her. In the Old Testament, the nation of Israel had the archangel (Michael) assigned to it (Daniel 10:21; 12:1), but you do not have anywhere in Scripture where it states that an angel was “assigned” to an individual (they were sometimes sent to individuals on different instances but no mention of “permanent” assignment is given). One commentator states that the Jews had fully developed the belief in guardian angels during the time between the Old and New Testament periods. Some early church fathers believed that each person had not only a good angel assigned to him/her but also a demon as well (I am not sure who they believed assigned the demon, whether Satan or God). But at any rate, the belief in guardian angels has been around for a long time.

If one is to understand from the Matthew 18:10 passage that guardian angels are referred to, it would seem that these angels are not in an active duty, but rather “always see the face of” the Father in heaven. The active duty or oversight seems then to come more from God than the angels. In our society today, it is “in” to believe in angels. We have movies that focus on angels; we have series on TV which portray angels as being assigned to help. Scripture makes it clear that although angels possess superhuman power and knowledge, they are created beings just as we are and are “nothing” in comparison with God. As such, they are not to be worshipped (Exodus 20:1-6; Colossians 2:18). Rather, worship is to be reserved for the Trinity alone. Unfortunately, while the shows about angels give lip service to God, the Son of God is rarely mentioned (if at all). And God says, in John 5:23 that if one does not honor the Son, he does not honor the Father who sent Him.

It cannot be emphatically answered from Scripture whether each believer has a guardian angel assigned to him/her. But as stated earlier, God does use them in ministering to us. I believe that it is scriptural to say that He uses them like He uses us, i.e. He in no way needs us or them to accomplish His purposes, but chooses to use us nonetheless (Job 4:18; Job 15:15). And in the end, whether we have an angel assigned to protect us or not, we have a greater assurance that God gives: that if we are His children through faith in Christ, He works all things together for good (Romans 8:28-30), and that Jesus Christ will never leave us or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5-6). If we have an omniscient, omnipotent, all-loving God with us, what does it really matter whether there is a finite angel along side of us or not?

Recommended Resource: What the Bible says about Angels by David Jeremiah.

87 posted on 09/30/2007 6:09:27 PM PDT by Athena1
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To: Campion

I am pretty certain that the point in question is whether or not we have individule ‘personal’ guardian angels. i.e. hovering over me from birth to the grave. No where in scripture can I find a passage that makes this claim.

The good Dr. makes the point that Christ is sufficient for salvation. The Holy Spirit guides and convicts all to the glory of the father, we do not have ‘guiding or guardian angels’. God’s angels do His bidding not ours.


88 posted on 09/30/2007 6:09:31 PM PDT by Athena1
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To: OpusatFR

?????


89 posted on 10/01/2007 5:08:37 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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