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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Then that must explain why you don't seem to worry about God's admonition against falling down to the stock of a tree.

Yeah, God also said in the same Torah that His people are not to eat pork either, and I don't see most "Reformists" abiding by that commandment either.

This is the inconsistent nature of your theology. You pick and choose the verses you use as hammers against patrisitic Christianity (I use that term since you object to much of what the Orthodox do/believe as well), and ignore/explain away other ones, like John 6, that aren't your cup of tea.

To address the specific admonition, I repeat what I said earlier, that Catholic do not see these images as gods, do not make sacrifices to them, etc. Open your Bible to Exodus 32:8.

They have quickly strayed from the way which thou didst shew them: and they have made to themselves a molten calf, and have adored it, and sacrificing victims to it, have said: These are thy gods, O Israel, that have brought thee out of the land of Egypt.

It isn't just the act behind the "falling down," as you put it, but the intention that goes along with it. If a Catholic went before a statue of a saint, venerated it, and said "This is one of my gods," then truly he would be in error. As the footnote for Exodus 20:4 puts it:

"A graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing"... All such images, or likenesses, are forbidden by this commandment, as are made to be adored and served; according to that which immediately follows, thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them. That is, all such as are designed for idols or image-gods, or are worshipped with divine honour. But otherwise images, pictures, or representations, even in the house of God, and in the very sanctuary so far from being forbidden, are expressly authorized by the word of God. See Ex. 25. 15, and etc.; chap. 38. 7; Num. 21. 8, 9; 1 Chron. or Paralip. 28. 18, 19; 2 Chron. or Paralip. 3. 10.

In summary, this "Reformist" train of thought is similar to that of the Pharisees, who abide by the actions of the law, but do not have the spirit of it.

107 posted on 10/09/2007 12:35:50 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
Yeah, God also said in the same Torah that His people are not to eat pork either, and I don't see most "Reformists" abiding by that commandment either.

Jesus abolished dietary restrictions.

Not so with falling down to the stock of a tree. God's words again idolatry are still in effect and stand in condemnation of your praying to Mary, saints, woodland sprites, and any other name but the One Mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus.

Catholic...do not make sacrifices to them

The mass is defined by the RCC as a repetition of the sacrifice of Christ, which is clearly against God's word as found in Hebrews 10.

116 posted on 10/09/2007 1:17:38 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Pyro7480
In summary, this "Reformist" train of thought is similar to that of...

Andrea Dworkin, who insisted all marital sex is rape.

They are looking for witches to burn.

They don't have the comfort and power of the Sacraments, so they use righteous indignation as a substitute for the movement of the Holy Spirit. They can't find any witches it's safe to burn, so the next best thing is to start playing with the definition of "witch" until they do.

127 posted on 10/09/2007 1:44:35 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Pyro7480; Dr. Eckleburg
In summary, this "Reformist" train of thought is similar to that of the Pharisees, who abide by the actions of the law, but do not have the spirit of it.

Irving's Law has just been invoked. Dr Eckleburg wins the round by default.

177 posted on 10/09/2007 4:22:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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