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Knights Templar win heresy reprieve after 700 years
Yahoo ^ | Thu Oct 11, 8:33 PM ET | By Philip Pullella

Posted on 10/12/2007 11:41:08 AM PDT by xzins

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To: Petrosius

>If you bothered to check at all you would know that it was the French king and not the Church that attacked the Templars. Although Pope Clement’s succumbing to the pressure of King Phillip to disband the Templars may not be commendable, to transfer the crimes of the French king to the Church is not honest.

So are we still looking for the Papal Bull of Protest against the French King? Oh, thats right, the Pope who could send thousands of Crusaders off to the Holy Land, who could get the Holy Roman Emperor on his knees in a hair shirt, is just fretting on his throne.

Please look at this in rational way. The French King pretty much seized (at least) a few hundred million dollars of the Churches assets and tortured and killed members of a Church holy order and the Pope just sat by idly? If this was not done with the Popes okay the Pope should have put the French king under threat of excommunication immediately. But in order to whitewash the church from its sin of collusion you have the pope just sitting there helpless to stop what you yourself call the crimes of the French king?

Or are you saying that the Pope allowed this to happen over serious sins of the templars, much of which were overblown confessions of racked men looking for an end to the torture?

Yes, lets be honest, the Pope had his hand in this mess, and probably gold was exchanged for his silence.


51 posted on 10/13/2007 7:17:10 AM PDT by Ottofire (Works only reveal faith, just as fruits only show the tree, whether it is a good tree. -MLuther)
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To: Phsstpok

Except you were being serious, and I was being sarcastic.


52 posted on 10/13/2007 8:51:54 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: Ottofire
I think that there is little doubt that Pope Clement was weak in this matter. The Catholic Encylopedia article on the Knights Templars which is worth a read, calls him "irresolute and harassed".

"The pope, irresolute and harrassed, finally adopted a middle course: he decreed the dissolution, not the condemnation of the order, and not by penal sentence, but by an Apostolic Decree (Bull of 22 March, 1312)."

It was a sad end to a once proud order.

53 posted on 10/13/2007 9:00:57 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: xzins

I remembered a joke & was saving it for the next meeting of neeners, but alas, was overcome by listlessness & forgot it again.


54 posted on 10/13/2007 1:11:22 PM PDT by GoLightly
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So are we still looking for the Papal Bull of Protest against the French King? Oh, thats right, the Pope who could send thousands of Crusaders off to the Holy Land, who could get the Holy Roman Emperor on his knees in a hair shirt, is just fretting on his throne.

You don't know your history very well. Pope Clement was a wholly-owned, bought-and-paid-for rubber-stamp stooge of King Phillip, as any Catholic historian will tell you. Why do you think they call this period (which began with Clement, and ended shortly before Luther's birth) the "Babylonian Captivity of the Church"?

Of course he never taught any heresy (dogmatically or otherwise), but if you're looking for someone to stand up courageously against Phillip, Clement isn't your man. His predecessor, Boniface VIII, did that, and paid for it dearly. But in the long view of history (at least for Catholics), Boniface is the good guy.

55 posted on 10/13/2007 1:16:49 PM PDT by Campion
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To: GoLightly

That’s a sad, sad story.

Do not golightly into that dark night.


56 posted on 10/13/2007 1:26:52 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: blue-duncan; GoLightly; P-Marlowe; opus86; Corin Stormhands; wmfights; Forest Keeper; ...

Sir Edgbert, knight of the realm, was hurrying home on a cold, dark, wet night when, suddenly, his horse suffered a major coronary and died on the spot. All Sir Edgbert could do was collect up what belongings he could and tramp onwards.

After staggering for a spell, he decides that he must get alternative transport. Accordingly, he heads for the nearest building which, as luck would have it, is a small farm. He strides up to the door, bangs on it and shouts ‘A horse! A horse!. I must have a horse!”.

The door opens to reveal a young girl. She looks at Sir Edgbert and says, “Your pardon, good night but my father and brothers are returning from the village on the other side of the forest and will not be back before noon tomorrow. They are riding all our horses”.

Sir Edgbert is saddened by this and says “But I must return home immediately. Have you any idea where I may accuire alternative transportation?”.

The young girl says “I know of no other horses hereabouts, but sometimes my brothers ride our Great Dane dog when the need arises. Would use of that help?”

Sir Edgbert is desperate and says “If I must, I must. Show me the animal”. The young girl leads the way around to the back of the farmhouse to a stable. She dissapears inside and returns leading and enormous dogs which is quite of a size for riding. Unfortunately, the dog has seen better days. It’s coat is threadbare, it’s legs are spindly and it seems to be breathing labouriously.

Sir Edgbert looks at the young girl and says, “Surely, you wouldn’t send a knight out on a dog like this?”


57 posted on 10/13/2007 1:30:35 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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Tis indeed a sad state of affairs. I racked my brain & I confess, it left me quite stretched.
58 posted on 10/13/2007 1:55:38 PM PDT by GoLightly
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Sir Edgbert looks at the young girl and says, “Surely, you wouldn’t send a knight out on a dog like this?”

LOL! I was worried for a minute where this was going. :)

59 posted on 10/13/2007 6:08:44 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: xzins; GoLightly; P-Marlowe; opus86; Corin Stormhands

What was Camelot famous for ?

It’s knight life !

When were King Arthur’s army too tired to fight ?

When they had lots of sleepless knights


60 posted on 10/13/2007 6:41:07 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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