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Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
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Posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by Salvation

Saint Malachy 
Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world.

Note: The Church does not lean on private revelation for doctrinal matters, but it does not oppose to the faithful obtaining benefit from them so long as they don't go against our faith.  

This analysis focuses on the last five Popes in the context of the prophecies of Saint Malachy.

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Saint Malachy was born in Amagh Ireland in 1094, he lived a religious life as a monk, then he was ordained priest and finally Bishop. He was canonized in 1199 by Pope Clement III. His biography was compiled by Saint Bernard, a contemporaneous saint.

He made a pilgrimage to Rome and during the end of the year 1139 and the beginning of 1140 had a series of visions about 112 Popes from Celestine III, elected Pontiff in 1130 until the last Pope who is described in his list as Peter Romanus.

After the last Roman Pontiff, Saint Malachy predicts the end of the world.

The Benedictine historian Arnold Wion was the first person to mention these prophecies in his book Lignum Vitae, published in 1559.

These prophecies are short, but they have demonstrated to be very accurate, even though in the time of their publication they caused much controversy as some claimed that they were falsified.

The book of prophecies of Saint Malachy was published originally in 1969 by Colin Smythe Ltd. in England, with the title "Prophecies of St. Malachy and St. Columbkille."

Tan Books published the book in the United States in 1973 with the title "Prophecies of Saint Malachy" its author is Peter Bander.

The foreword reads like this:

In publishing THE PROPHECIES OF SAINT MALACHY, Colin Smythe Limited have produced an instructive and entertaining book.

There is great deal of instant information in Peter Bander's nutshell biographical accounts of the popes who occupied the Roman See since the year 1143 to our present time - and indeed of the antipopes as well. The remarkable way in which the visions St Malachy is alleged to have had, are shown to apply to the succesive individual popes is most amusing. Is it not the case to repeat: "Se non e vero, e ben trovato"? (If it is not true, it is well rhymed)

Whatever one may think of the genuineness of the prophecies attributed to Saint Malachy, here is a fascinating study which provides the curious reader with much profit and pleasure.

Archbishop H.E. Cardinale
Apostolic Nuncio to Belgium and Luxemburg, until recently Apostolic Delegate to Great Britain.

It is curious to think that whenever there is a Conclave, the Cardinals read these prophecies of the saint, and even though they are not ecclesiastic authority they give an idea of what has happen and of what is to occur.

Prophecies of Saint Malachy

This study is an analysis based on private revelation and observations of what is taking place now. It is not to be taken as an official position of the Church. It is good to remind us of the words of the Lord: "stay awake."

The last five popes are mentioned with the following titles: 
Flos Florum
De medietate Lunae
De Labore Solis
Gloria Olivae
Petrus Romanus


Flos Florum - Flower of flowers

Saint Malachy Prophecies, Popes, end of the worldPope Paul VI 
Pontiff from 1963 to 1978. 

Giovanni Battista Montini. In his coat of arms there are three "fleurs de lis"

With great success he concluded Vatican Council II, he made rigorous reforms to the Roman Curia, he traveled the five continents and was called peregrine pope .  In 1965 he was well received and accepted at his address to the UN. Author of the encyclicals
opulorum progressio (1967), Humanae vitae July 24, 1968. He died in August 6, 1978, feast of the Transfiguration.

De medietate Lunae - Of the half moon

Saint Malachy Prophecies,Popes, end of the worldPapa Juan Pablo I ' Abino Luciani
Pontiff for 33 days.

He was born on 17 of October 1912 in Forno di Canale, called now Canale de Agordo, he was baptized the same day by his midwife, for fear of his death, he was later baptized by a priest.

After a life dedicated to the Church as a priest, he was elected Pope during the second day of the Conclave in August 26, 1978. He died of cardiac attack in September 28 1978, thirty three days after the beginning of his papacy.

"De la media luna" Of the half moon is a very accurate description regarding his beginning and also his short pontificate. Even his name Abino Luciani means white light, it has been mentioned that the most important events of his life took place in dates of half moon.


De Labore Solis -
From the toil of the sun - or - Of the eclipse of the sun.

Pope  John Paul II 
Pontiff from 1978 to 2005

This description fits John Paul II perfectly, since he emerged as a especial light for the Catholic Church, promoting the faith from all angles. The works of John Paul II were truly the work of God, the labor of the sun.

The second meaning of "De labore solis" is a solar eclipse, in which the sun seems to struggle in order to give its light. Perhaps the fact that John Paul II, was a very Marian Pope who had a special devotion to the Virgin Mary, the woman clothed with the sun that appears in the Apocalypse, suggests that the sun (Our Lord) has been temporarily eclipsed by the moon (Our Lady). 

John Paul II was a great humanist and peacemaker, a traveler Pope, proclaimer of the gospel in more than 130 countries throughout the world, author of many apostolic letters, encyclicals and books. Canonizer of more saints in his pontificate than any other Pope in all history. During his last years as Pope he concluded his pontificate proclaiming the Holy Trinity, the Virgin Mary and the Eucharist.

Year 1997. God the Son
Year 1998. God the Holy Spirit

Year 1999. God the Father
Year 2000 
24 December 1999 - 6 January 2001Great Jubilee. 

Year 2002-2003. Year of the Holy Rosary, institution of the Luminous mysteries.16 October 2002 - 31 October 2003
Year 2005. The Holy Eucharist.
17 October 2004 - 29 October 2005

Gloria Olivae - The Glory of the olive

Benedict XVI 
Joseph Ratzinger
Starts Pontificate in April 2005

He chose his name in honor of Saint Benedict, author of the very strict rule of the Benedictines.

His motto is "Co-worker of the Truth."

He has been known even before becoming Pope as a conservative man, ready to defend the Catholic principles that represent the truth of the teachings of Christ.

Our new Pontiff is covered under the sign of the olive according to the prophecies of St. Malachy

The branches of the olive were symbols of peace and victory for Noah after the flood. Throughout history, we know that olive branches have made crowns for kings and athletes as symbols of power and glory. The olive tree thrives in silent areas, such as the garden of olives where Jesus suffered his agony before being arrested by the soldiers.

Olive oil has anointed kings, saints, popes and in a especial way all Christians.

The leaves and the oil of the olive tree have medicinal properties, derived from the oleic acid which is an anti cancer component. The good kitchen cannot exist without olive oil. The best paints have olive oil base, to give them luster and to increase their durability.

The olive is a symbol of peace, abundance, glory and purification.

The Church has been through a period of light, and now is the the time to celebrate and pick up the fruits of the previous pontificate of John Paul. It is quite possible that they will bring many conversions and an increase in the faith especially from the young people.

With the purifying properties of the olive, our new Pontiff comes to challenge error.  He presents himself exposing the truth of our faith with a special courage, he is prepared to heal the cancer of heresy, the infection of apostasy and to promote the health of our Catholic faith.

According to the prophecies of Saint Malachy, Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope before the last one, named "Gloria Olivae" which means the glory of the olive, it is to be a time of glory and rejoicing for the true Church.   

Due to the straightforwardness of our new Pontiff, great opposition is expected, but the Spirit of God is with him and we are in good hands.

Petrus Romanus - Peter Roman

The apostle Peter was the first Pope of the Church, elected directly by our Lord Jesus Christ:

You are Peter, the rock. On this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loose in Heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19)

Peter, the same as Christ, drank of the same chalice of suffering when he died as a martyr.

The body of Christ, the Church represents our Lord Jesus Christ.

The last two pontiffs will have to face the fury of the enemy who will make a violent persecution to Christianity. Faithful as Peter, the last Pontiff will take care of his flock in the midst of the attacks of the enemy. 

2 Thessalonians 3-4 speaks of the apostasy of the last times before the second coming of Christ, when evil will be defying everything that is sacred. The man of iniquity, or the anti-Christ will take his seat in the temple of God. 

This does not necessarily means the embodiment of the devil but if could mean the evil that is being accepted broadly when human beings who are temples of the spirit of God are being desecrated by their own wickedness. 

Just as the Lord lived, taught us, gave us spiritual food and saved us by his death on the cross, the Church being the mystical body of Christ has a similar task. Therefore the church is to be persecuted, insulted and finally crucified, in preparation for the coming of the Lord.

But just as the Lord rose after his death, the Church will also be resurrected for the Glory of God.

No one knows the day nor the hour, but the Lord tells us to be ready.

The prophecies of Saint Malachy end like this:

In the persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations after which the seven hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.



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1 posted on 10/14/2007 8:26:05 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes

RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY [De Gloria Olivae]

Papal Prophecies - End of Days: Prophecies of SAINT MALACHY

Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)

The Prophecies of St. Malachy

2 posted on 10/14/2007 8:33:10 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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3 posted on 10/14/2007 8:35:21 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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All predictions for the end of the world which have been put to the test, and there have been many, have been shown to be false.

Why should we consider this one to be any different?

4 posted on 10/14/2007 8:40:58 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

No different. No times, no months, no days, no hours, just talking about the Popes.

Hopefully you read the article’s disclaimer in red.


5 posted on 10/14/2007 8:43:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

These prophecies of St. Malachi have always interested me. I know very little about them, but what I have read has been fascinating.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 8:43:46 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne

I would make the exact same comment as J.A.


7 posted on 10/14/2007 8:53:15 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture ™)
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To: Salvation
No different. No times, no months, no days, no hours, just talking about the Popes.

Hopefully you read the article’s disclaimer in red.

Thank you for the response. And I did read the disclaimer.

My trust in predictions of the end of the world is very limited; there have been so many predictions, and none has yet to be accurate. There is no reason to believe the next one will be any more accurate than the hundreds or thousands which have gone before.

I even remember a few decades ago a prediction that California was supposed to fall into the ocean (I think it was 1969). I was there at the time, and the prediction was a no-show.

All of this brings to mind the famous quotation:

It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.

L. Sprague de Camp


8 posted on 10/14/2007 8:54:00 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I like that quote. LOL!


9 posted on 10/14/2007 9:00:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: topcat54; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Frumanchu
Saint Malachy
Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world
[and FWIW, we're on Pope #111]

It's only the end of the world (again), everyone!

It's Only The End Of The World Again
Words and music (noise) by Disaster Area
performed by Disaster Area
from the 45 rpm single of
the BBC LP 33 1/3 rpm version of
the dramatic reenactment of
The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe
written by Douglas Adams

Oh, I met you at a disco pod on Delta Nine
Your body was a mess; I loved you so
I killed my best friend to make you mine [N.B. rhymes with nine!]
You didn't like his face, he had to go

I took you for a smash in your daddy's car
You're gonna be a smash as a nova star
Our love is titanic,
Baby don't panic,
I'll take you down the road as the moon explodes

It's only the end of the world again
only the end of the world again
only the end of the world again
Again (repeated x 4)

Oh what a love! You wore me out
I almost had an overdose
You made me want to scream & shout
You never let me get too close

I bought you everything that money buys
And all I ever got was teenage lies
Our love is titanic, baby don't panic,
It's such a heavy load, let the moon explode

It's only the end of the world again
only the end of the world again
only the end of the world again
Again (repeated x 8)

Don't Panic
Baby don't panic (repeat x 3)
Oh!

It's only the end of the world again
It's only the end of the world again
It's only the end of the world again
Again (repeated x 7)

10 posted on 10/14/2007 9:30:51 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Coyoteman
Why should we consider this one to be any different?

Brings to mind the old story of the guy who fell off of the Empire State Building (back when it was the tallest building in the world). There was an open window on the third floor, and as he fell past he was heard to say 'So far, so good!'.

11 posted on 10/14/2007 9:49:42 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: Salvation

That’s very fascinating. The last one remarks that “evil will be defying everything that is sacred”. It seems like things are getting worse and worse in the world, especially this country. I don’t know if it is true. I have often wondered if we are nearing the end of times, but there have been so many errors regarding prediction. As the Bible says, no one will know the time or the hour.


12 posted on 10/14/2007 10:45:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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To: Alex Murphy
Saint Malachy Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world [and FWIW, we're on Pope #111]

I wonder what Pope #113 will have to say about all this.

13 posted on 10/14/2007 11:30:14 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Alex Murphy; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Frumanchu

Maybe what Saint Malachy really meant is that it’s simply the end of the Catholic Church. Perhaps they’ll come to an understanding Calvin was right and become Reformed.


14 posted on 10/15/2007 1:41:15 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Salvation
Thank you so much for posting this, Salvation!

I had heard about the prophecies some time ago and am glad to finally have them in writing to keep!

The return of Christ is very near!

15 posted on 10/15/2007 1:51:43 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Salvation

Discernment is right, its been considered a fabrication.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9406qq.asp


16 posted on 10/15/2007 2:28:09 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Salvation

I’ve often wondered about the Prophecies of Saint Malachy and after reading this (and yes, I did read the disclaimer and understand it), I’ve wondered if the word “Prophecy” should be used to describe the writings. Would the work, you think, be better classified as the “Revelations” of Saint Malachy? As you’ve noted, no dates certain, or much specificity but rather something like an exposition? If it were viewed more like an exposition might it not be the case that the Revelations are describing both particular Popes and Papal eras such that they may not be defining 112 “Popes” per se, but rather 112 Popes and/or Papal eras?I dunno, just wondering.


18 posted on 10/15/2007 6:20:04 AM PDT by glide625
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To: topcat54

***the end of the apostate, whorish RC system.***

That is an unbelilevably hateful and uncharitable comment, topcat54! Your venom is unwarranted. May I remind you of what St. Paul says, “And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.” Ephesians 4:32

I suppose it has never occured to you that the Protestant “system” might just possibly be heretical - considering that Our Lord prayed 5 times in John 17 “that we all may be one as He and the Father are one.” Ref. John 17: 11, 21(twice), 22, 23. I certainly don’t see that the Protestant “system” is evidence that “all are one.” To the contrary, the Protestant “system” is founded upon division. Your “raison d’etre” is to protest the Roman Catholic Church - not to proclaim Jesus. If it were, you would obey His words and be joined to His Church (see Matthew 16:17-19).

The Protestant “system” is the apostate one, not the Catholic Church. I was brought up Presbyterian, so I know every Protestant argument, and not one of them holds weight against Scripture and the teachings of the Early Church Fathers (which anyone can access). There is no excuse for ignorance.


19 posted on 10/15/2007 7:52:01 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: Salvation

Discernment is needed here folks.


20 posted on 10/15/2007 7:54:34 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: nanetteclaret

We must pray for the full reunion of all Christian believers.


21 posted on 10/15/2007 7:55:43 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: nanetteclaret
That is an unbelilevably hateful and uncharitable comment,

Remember the Inquisition.

22 posted on 10/15/2007 7:58:04 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: Salvation

Thanks for posting.

ping


23 posted on 10/15/2007 8:04:02 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: HarleyD

**Maybe what Saint Malachy really meant is that it’s simply the end of the Catholic Church**

You forgot some of your Bible here, didn’t you?

“And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. “Matthew 16:18


24 posted on 10/15/2007 8:15:47 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dominick

Interesting — the disclaimer at the top said that no endorsement had been made.


25 posted on 10/15/2007 8:18:49 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: nanetteclaret
To the contrary, the Protestant “system” is founded upon division. Your “raison d’etre” is to protest the Roman Catholic Church - not to proclaim Jesus. If it were, you would obey His words and be joined to His Church (see Matthew 16:17-19).

Gentler words, same venom. You're not in a position to criticize others.

27 posted on 10/15/2007 8:46:48 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Coyoteman
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Kindly provide scientific that it is objectively wrong to commit murder.

Thank you.

28 posted on 10/15/2007 8:48:57 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: topcat54
Remember the Inquisition.

Remember the English martyrs.

29 posted on 10/15/2007 8:55:41 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
Remember the Inquisition.

Remember the English martyrs.

Remember the Waldensians and the Huguenots. And on and on we go.

30 posted on 10/15/2007 9:19:01 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: topcat54

Would you please clarify for all on this thread what you mean by the phrase “whoring church?” I want to make sure that we all know exactly what you mean.


31 posted on 10/15/2007 9:19:51 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: Glenmerle

My statement was not venomous. I am merely speaking the truth. Sorry it hurts.


32 posted on 10/15/2007 9:21:43 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: nanetteclaret
My statement was not venomous. I am merely speaking the truth. Sorry it hurts.

That's cute. "Sorry it hurts." The refuge of someone without an argument. It doesn't hurt, it's sad. Every bit as sad as the "whoring church" comment you objected to. Protestant churches are "whoring" as far as you're concerned -- why not come out and say what you mean? And why object to someone who, in essence, says to you what you say to others?

33 posted on 10/15/2007 9:25:43 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Biggirl
We must pray for the full reunion of all Christian believers.

I'm with you there. In Jesus' Name, Amen.

34 posted on 10/15/2007 9:27:43 AM PDT by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: Glenmerle; Religion Moderator
Whoring is something that some girls do in clubs, in dresses that are too tight. When people make this claim, it’s because they are parroting someone else's words.

If we want to throw (crap) at each other on this website that was founded for conservative common cause, then the idiots who hold no God, no Church and no Country will win.

35 posted on 10/15/2007 9:51:25 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick
If we want to throw (crap) at each other on this website that was founded for conservative common cause, then the idiots who hold no God, no Church and no Country will win.

My point is that nanetteclaret was saying the same thing -- not using that particular offensive word, but saying the same thing. I see it all the time in the Religion forum. Why didn't you object to what she said? Or do you agree with her? Why does it take someone plaining saying what others say in a more coy way for you to complain to the moderator?

36 posted on 10/15/2007 9:58:08 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: topcat54
I too pray that whatever the good “saint” saw, it involved the end of the apostate, whorish RC system.

Before your post gets pulled, I would like everyone to take a good look at what a great Christian post looks like.

37 posted on 10/15/2007 10:04:11 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Glenmerle
And on and on we go.

Exactly my point, thank you. See Romans 12:14-21 for a more detailed discussion.

38 posted on 10/15/2007 10:06:26 AM PDT by Campion
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To: topcat54
t’s amazing that followers of the “one true church” (tm) would be mesmerized

You're assuming facts not in evidence.

Your comment (whatever it is, I read no further) is therefore pointless.

39 posted on 10/15/2007 10:11:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: HarleyD

That’s impossible. Peter the Roman is code for Jesus Himself - the last Pope (when He comes to judge the world).

Whether or not St. Malachy’s prophecies indicate that Peter the Roman is the “next” pope AND the “last pope” is debatable. Since the “last pope” is not numbered, it’s been theorized that the popes between “Glory of the Olive” and “Peter the Roman” were simply not prophesied.

At any rate, it’s only pious speculation to try and divine Malachy’s meaning. We know how the story ends.


40 posted on 10/15/2007 10:14:20 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: nanetteclaret
Would you please clarify for all on this thread what you mean by the phrase “whoring church?” I want to make sure that we all know exactly what you mean.

The Scripture often used the image of whores/prostitutes to depict the people of God when they strayed from the truth of His revelation and began to worship under their own imaginations. You can see this in places like Ezekiel chapters 16 and 23 and Revelation 17. Israel played the harlot by leaving the true worship of God and setting up idols after their own self-absorbed vanities.

When the patriarchs of the Roman system abandoned the simple, true worship of God revealed in Holy Scripture and invented a new system under the pretext of magisterial authority, they became the harlot in no less fashion that ancient Israel.

The Reformation was all about calling the Church to abandon her harlotries and return the faith of the Apostles. This they have refused to do, preferring instead to call the faithful in other denominations less than truly Christian.

Thankfully, it is not too late for your prelates to reform their system. They just need the will to do so and the unction of the Holy Spirit, Who is now far from them.

41 posted on 10/15/2007 10:14:37 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54
When the patriarchs of the Roman system abandoned the simple, true worship of God revealed in Holy Scripture and invented a new system

Again, your point is based on falsehood. The Liturgy is of apostolic age.

So, again your point (whatever it is) is worthless.

42 posted on 10/15/2007 10:20:08 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Again, your point is based on falsehood. The Liturgy is of apostolic age.

You can believe that is you wish, but the fact is there is no evidence to suggest that the apostles or early century Christians would have recognized the medieval-modern blasphemy known as the Roman Mass.

43 posted on 10/15/2007 10:25:27 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54

It’s of a certainty that they wouldn’t recognise (as Christian) the modernist heresy that is protestantism. Indeed, they would recoil in horror at the self-so-called “reformation”.


44 posted on 10/15/2007 10:28:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Dominick
the modernist heresy that is protestantism

Any complaints, Dominick? No? Didn't think so.

45 posted on 10/15/2007 10:31:00 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: topcat54
You can believe that is you wish, but the fact is there is no evidence to suggest that the apostles or early century Christians would have recognized the medieval-modern blasphemy known as the Roman Mass.

Nonsense.

There's plenty of evidence that Trent merely codified existing Roman usage that goes back to the early 5th Century. There's little or nothing "medieval" about it. The Byzantine Rite is of similar antiquity.

Read this for an even earlier view of Roman liturgy.

46 posted on 10/15/2007 10:37:42 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Glenmerle

Get ALL of “topcat’s” comments about whoring and blasphemy zotted (note post 26 and post 43, among others) and I’ll be happy to see post 44 get zotted, too.


47 posted on 10/15/2007 10:38:02 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Glenmerle

What?

No complaints about #26 and #43?

No?

didn’t think so.


48 posted on 10/15/2007 10:40:32 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: topcat54
You can believe that is you wish, but the fact is there is no evidence to suggest that the apostles or early century Christians would have recognized the medieval-modern blasphemy known as the Roman Mass.

Oh, do tell. What's blasphemous about it?

49 posted on 10/15/2007 10:41:52 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Get ALL of “topcat’s” comments about whoring and blasphemy zotted (note post 26 and post 43, among others) and I’ll be happy to see post 44 get zotted, too.

I'm not interested in zotting anyone's posts, Dominick is. Talk to him/her. Apparently on this forum it's not OK to use the word "whoring" (which as far as I know isn't a banned word on FR) in reference to Catholics but it's OK to say essentially the same thing to Protestants. Sheer hypocrisy.

50 posted on 10/15/2007 10:42:02 AM PDT by Glenmerle
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