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Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
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Posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Dominick
I think keeping track of who called whom a heretic is a waste of the Internet’s electromagnetic flux.

Guess it depends on whose ox is gored, huh? Words -- certain words, that is -- matter; content means nothing. At least I now know the proper words to use when refering to the RCC.

101 posted on 10/15/2007 1:22:30 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Glenmerle
Guess it depends on whose ox is gored, huh? Words -- certain words, that is -- matter; content means nothing. At least I now know the proper words to use when refering to the RCC.

If your can't understand what I said, then I am done. Take my comment for what it is worth.

103 posted on 10/15/2007 1:28:25 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: nanetteclaret
See post 58.
104 posted on 10/15/2007 1:28:43 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: xzins
the Mystery Babylon religious system

Islam?

105 posted on 10/15/2007 1:30:29 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: nanetteclaret
I’m sorry you object to the word “heretic.” I was once a heretic myself, and will freely call myself that.

Yeah I object to being called a heretic. I'm just funny like that. I'll bet you don't like your church being called a . . . whoops, verboten. You're so blinded by hate you can't even see that you're inflicting on others what you so object to yourself. "I was once a heretic myself," you say -- meaning "once a Protestant." That's filth, and you can't even see it.

106 posted on 10/15/2007 1:30:41 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Glenmerle
I'm not sure what your point is, then ...

In #43, the "Roman Mass" is condemned as blasphemy.

In #44 "protestantism" is condemned as heresy.

As I said, if the one goes, I'll be happy to see the other removed, as well.

As is, objecting to accusations of "heresy", whilst saying to to accusations of "blasphemy" strikes me as hypocritical.

YMMV.

107 posted on 10/15/2007 1:52:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: topcat54

***return the faith of the Apostles***

Examples of the “faith of the Apostles” include the “Epistle to the Corinthians,” written by Clement of Rome about the same time as the Gospel of St. John. He is the Clement mentioned by St. Paul in Philippians 4:3 as his “fellow-laborer.” Also the epistles of Ignatius, composed as he was going to his martyrdom which occurred December 20, 107 AD, the writings of Justin Martyr written around 150 AD, and the work “Against Heresies” written by Irenaeus of Lyons between 175-185 AD. Irenaeus was taught by Polycarp, who was personally taught by St. John the Apostle.

Your post shows that you have no knowledge of the Early Church and the “faith of the Apostles.” You might want to investigate. If you don’t want to hear what these Early Fathers had to say, you should at least read about them since they were martyrs for Jesus. We can all learn from their heroic faith.


108 posted on 10/15/2007 1:56:33 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: topcat54
The Reformers saw the spiritual entity we call the Roman Catholic Church as fallen in much the same way as ancient Israel. Rome was in covenant relationship at one time, but had abdicated their position and gone after foreign gods through a gradual process of assimilation of false practices.

Those would be the same guys who said that it was manifestly plain that popes and councils did err.

I'll turn their own medicine back on them: it is manifestly plain (to me) that the "Reformers" did err.

I'll stick with the Bible.

109 posted on 10/15/2007 2:05:51 PM PDT by Campion
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To: nanetteclaret
Examples of the “faith of the Apostles” include the “Epistle to the Corinthians,” written by Clement of Rome about the same time as the Gospel of St. John. He is the Clement mentioned by St. Paul in Philippians 4:3 as his “fellow-laborer.” Also the epistles of Ignatius, composed as he was going to his martyrdom which occurred December 20, 107 AD, the writings of Justin Martyr written around 150 AD, and the work “Against Heresies” written by Irenaeus of Lyons between 175-185 AD. Irenaeus was taught by Polycarp, who was personally taught by St. John the Apostle.

Without getting creative, I can't seem to find the RC Mass or transubstantiation in any of those ancient writings. You need to read a lot of medieval theology back into the text to get them where you want them to be.

Your post shows that you have no knowledge of the Early Church and the “faith of the Apostles.”

And your post demonstrates that you have no knowledge of my knowledge in this area.

110 posted on 10/15/2007 2:07:39 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: Campion
Those would be the same guys who said that it was manifestly plain that popes and councils did err.

I'll turn their own medicine back on them: it is manifestly plain (to me) that the "Reformers" did err.

Entirely possible. They have stated as such in their confession. No human institution is infallible. Nothing in the Bible says that any human or human institution is infallible.

As a protestant I have no trouble believing and trusting in a perfect, infallible God handing His Church over to undershepherds who are sinful, fallible men. Otherwise I would be tempted to worship these men, a form of idolatry.

I prefer to kiss the Son lest He be angry (Psalm 2) than kiss the ring or feet of a prelate.

I'll stick with the Bible.

Not as an RC you won't. You need the Magisterium to tell you what is right to believe.

111 posted on 10/15/2007 2:19:39 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54
You need the Magisterium to tell you what is right to believe.

So when I go to the Magisterium, and they point me to Scripture (Dei Verbum, Vatican II):

Therefore, since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings (5) for the sake of salvation. Therefore "all Scripture is divinely inspired and has its use for teaching the truth and refuting error, for reformation of manners and discipline in right living, so that the man who belongs to God may be efficient and equipped for good work of every kind" (2 Tim. 3:16-17, Greek text).

... I'm back where I started.

112 posted on 10/15/2007 2:33:58 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Glenmerle

Okay, I’ll put it my way, Protestants follow an incomplete religion.


113 posted on 10/15/2007 2:35:42 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Glenmerle
No other denomination has a rightful claim to this mandate but those which enjoy Apostolic succession.

So prove that statement wrong if you can. Show where Christ established many churches with diverse beliefs.

114 posted on 10/15/2007 2:42:23 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Glenmerle

“Let no man deceive himself. Both the things which are in heaven, and the glorious angels, and rulers, both visible and invisible, if they believe not in the blood of Christ, shall, in consequence, incur condemnation.... But consider those who are of a different opinion with respect to the grace of Christ which has come unto us, how opposed they are to the will of God. ... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes ... But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils.” Ignatius of Antioch “Letter to the Smyrnaeans” Chpt. 6-7 AD 107


115 posted on 10/15/2007 2:45:39 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: xzins

Seattle has 7 hills also, but all we rule is the coffee kingdom :>)


116 posted on 10/15/2007 2:56:49 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: topcat54

If you can’t find the Mass or transubstantiation in any of the writings of the Early Fathers, you haven’t read much. For a composite look at different writings, read “The Mass of the Early Christians” by Mike Aquilina. You will find more than enough examples.

By the way, the concept of “transubstantiation” was always in the Eucharist. It was just never verbalized until St. Thomas Aquinas explained it, using the Aristotelian concepts of “substance” and “accidents.” His is probably the greatest mind that had ever lived until that time. No one else had been able to articulate it.

Point taken that I have no knowledge of your knowledge. However, you write as if you don’t have any.


117 posted on 10/15/2007 3:03:43 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: nanetteclaret
Since we're quoting here . . .

“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

118 posted on 10/15/2007 3:13:22 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Rutles4Ever
That’s impossible. Peter the Roman is code for Jesus Himself - the last Pope (when He comes to judge the world).

Haven't heard that one before.

119 posted on 10/15/2007 3:18:39 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Campion; xzins
Well, actually, yes, to a Jew, it does, because that is where the shem of YVWH dwells. (1 Kgs 11:36)

HaShem put His Name literally on His Land.

It shows the Name of God at Ancient Bethel!

shalom b'shem Yah'shua
120 posted on 10/15/2007 3:22:44 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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